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MotoGP: Laguna Seca July 5 *SPOILERS*
« on: July 03, 2009, 07:44:55 am »
Kallio forced to miss Laguna race

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Tuesday, June 30th 2009, 15:42 GMT

Mika Kallio will miss this weekend's Laguna Seca MotoGP race as a result of the hand injury that he picked up in the Dutch GP.

The Pramac Racing rider badly hurt the ring finger of his left hand, grazing it down to the bone after it got trapped under his bike in a last lap fall, and he will need skin grafts in the next few weeks.

The risk of infection has forced the Finn out of competing in the United States, but it is hoped he will be fit again to return to the bike at Sachsenring.

"I was so excited to race in Laguna Seca, but I guess destiny wanted it to be this way and I will have to renounce," explained Kallio. "It's a pity.

"We have taken this decision together with Pramac Racing Managers and I think this is probably the best solution. Laguna would have been a new circuit to learn for me and with a precarious physical condition we thought it would have been too risky.

"I will look after my self in the best way possible to be in good form at the Sachsenring, which is by the way one of my favourites circuits of the world championship."

Pramac has decided to not substitute Kallio for this weekend's race, so it will race only with Niccolo Canepa.

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Re: MotoGP: Laguna Seca July 5 *SPOILERS*
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2009, 07:33:36 am »
Takahashi loses Scot Honda ride

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Friday, July 3rd 2009, 11:05 GMT

The Scot Honda team has dropped Yuki Takahashi and will run only Gabor Talmacsi from this weekend's Laguna Seca race.

Former 125cc champion Talmacsi had joined Scot on a second bike from Catalunya, amid rumours that the longer-term plan was for him to replace Takahashi. The team insisted that it was keen to run both riders for the rest of the season if possible, but has now decided that it cannot afford to do so.

Team manager Cirano Mularoni said that some physical problems for Takahashi also contributed to the decision to focus on Talmacsi.

"The team would face a lot of new costs to line up two riders and without the possibility to improve its results with Yuki because he has suffered a slipped disc in his back, most likely caused by recent falls," he said.

"So our team has decided to stop racing with Yuki and to wait for his recovery before taking any decisions on his future."

Takahashi had been placed at Scot by Honda, which was keen to maintain a Japanese presence in its MotoGP line-up after Shinya Nakano's departure. HRC vice-president Shuhei Nakamoto said the company was disappointed to see Takahashi lose his ride, but understood Scot's situation.

"For Honda as well as the Scot Racing team, this is a sad announcement and one we wanted to avoid if at all possible," Nakamoto said. "But we understand the team's problems with regard to the increased costs of running two riders.

"Takahashi was the only Japanese rider in the MotoGP championship and of course Honda wanted to see him continue. But in the end the team made it clear that this outcome was impossible and we respect their decision."

The 24-year-old 250cc graduate had endured a difficult start to his MotoGP career and did not finish above 12th in the first half of the season.
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Re: MotoGP: Laguna Seca July 5 *SPOILERS*
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2009, 07:38:01 am »
Vermeulen keen to maintain form

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Friday, July 3rd 2009, 11:46 GMT

Chris Vermeulen says he is eager to see if Suzuki can maintain its improved form from Assen in this weekend's United States Grand Prix.

The Australian had his best result of 2009 in the Netherlands a week ago, qualifying seventh and taking fifth place in the race.

"At Assen we took a big step forward," said Vermeulen. "We were closer to the front and we were competitive. The bike was working well there so hopefully it's going to work well here."

Vermeulen has a very strong record at Laguna, having taken second and third in the last two MotoGP races at the track, so believes he will be well placed to capitalise if the Suzuki is on the pace again.

"This is obviously one of my favourite tracks," he said.

"I've had good results here from Superbike days, I did the double in '04, and I've had two [MotoGP] podiums here, including last year behind that race between [Casey] Stoner and [Valentino] Rossi, although I think everyone forgot I was third, it was so exciting at the front, but I remember it anyway... It's a good circuit for me, one I enjoy."
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Re: MotoGP: Laguna Seca July 5 *SPOILERS*
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2009, 07:54:28 am »
Free to air broadcast times for this race can be found here:

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Re: MotoGP: Laguna Seca July 5 *SPOILERS*
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2009, 03:22:19 pm »
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Lorenzo takes pole then crashes

Jorge Lorenzo took pole position at Laguna Seca but suffered a heavy crash in the closing stages that forced him to be stretchered off the track.

The Yamaha rider, having set the fastest time of 1m21.678s with 12 minutes left in the one-hour session, was thrown off his M1 bike in a high-side at Turn 10 with just three minutes remaining, and landed heavily on his right side.

Curiously, the Spaniard had already crashed at the same spot twenty minutes earlier, when he lost the front and was forced to run back to the pits.

In what turned out to be a surreal end of the session, Casey Stoner also suffered a hard high-side just one minute later, while trying to improve on his second place with his Ducati. The Australian crashed at Turn 3 and was also taken away by stretcher, although initial indications were that he had escaped serious injury.

With the two rivals missing out on the final battle for pole, it was left to championship leader Valentino Rossi to try to get amongst the two at the front, after struggling to be competitive in the final section of the track.

And so he did: when the time had already expired he managed to snatch second away from Stoner, 0.167s behind teammate Lorenzo.

Dani Pedrosa will lead the second row ahead of Honda teammate Andrea Dovizioso, with the other works-spec Honda, Gresini's Toni Elias, in sixth.

Colin Edwards (Tech 3 Yamaha) will lead fellow American Nicky Hayden on the third row, with the Ducati rider scoring his best qualifying result of the year.

The Suzuki pair of Chris Vermeulen and Loris Capirossi round up the top ten.

Pos  Rider             Bike             Time       Gap
 1.  Jorge Lorenzo     Yamaha           1m21.678s
 2.  Valentino Rossi   Yamaha           1m21.845s  + 0.167s
 3.  Casey Stoner      Ducati           1m21.910s  + 0.232s
 4.  Dani Pedrosa      Honda            1m22.113s  + 0.435s
 5.  Andrea Dovizioso  Honda            1m22.135s  + 0.457s
 6.  Toni Elias        Gresini Honda    1m22.146s  + 0.468s
 7.  Colin Edwards     Tech 3 Yamaha    1m22.490s  + 0.812s
 8.  Nicky Hayden      Ducati           1m22.540s  + 0.862s
 9.  Chris Vermeulen   Suzuki           1m22.633s  + 0.955s
10.  Loris Capirossi   Suzuki           1m22.662s  + 0.984s
11.  Marco Melandri    Hayate Kawasaki  1m22.842s  + 1.164s
12.  Alex de Angelis   Gresini Honda    1m23.004s  + 1.326s
13.  Sete Gibernau     Hernando Ducati  1m23.106s  + 1.428s
14.  Randy de Puniet   LCR Honda        1m23.147s  + 1.469s
15.  James Toseland    Tech 3 Yamaha    1m23.390s  + 1.712s
16.  Niccolo Canepa    Pramac Ducati    1m23.912s  + 2.234s
17.  Gabor Talmacsi    Scot Honda       1m24.528s  + 2.850s


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Re: MotoGP: Laguna Seca July 5 *SPOILERS*
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2009, 09:50:12 am »
Yeah, I saw that high side on the highlights. Looked painful......... ouch.
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Re: MotoGP: Laguna Seca July 5 *SPOILERS*
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2009, 10:01:52 am »
Well done Pedrosa. Did anyone know what happened at the end to let Rossi almost pass him when he was so far in front at the start of the lap? I missed the press conference.

Well done Hayden to on his best finnish for the year.

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Re: MotoGP: Laguna Seca July 5 *SPOILERS*
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2009, 01:55:38 pm »
All those stats:

Pedrosa ends Honda win drought

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Sunday, July 5th 2009, 21:48 GMT

Dani Pedrosa has taken his and Honda's first victory in more than a year with a commanding yet tight victory in the United States Grand Prix.

The Spaniard, who made a perfect start from fourth on the grid to take the lead before the first corner, opened a lead of over three seconds mid-way through the 32-lap race, but while slowing down towards the end he risked being overtaken by Valentino Rossi at the very last corner.

Jorge Lorenzo and Casey Stoner, who suffered major crashes in yesterday's qualifying at Laguna Seca, both had fine performances today.

The Yamaha rider, who was not even sure he would be fit enough to take part in the race before this morning's warm-up, made a great recovery and almost managed to snatch second away from team-mate Rossi.

Stoner stayed with Rossi for the first twenty laps before suffering a dip in performance that in the end saw the Ducati man finish ten seconds away from Lorenzo at the chequered flag.

Behind Pedrosa immediately taking the lead at the start, Stoner got ahead of Rossi, with Toni Elias's Gresini Honda and Andrea Dovizioso's factory Honda following behind.

Lorenzo made a bad gateway from pole and was soon down in eighth place, with Americans Colin Edwards (Tech 3 Yamaha) and Nicky Hayden (Ducati) also getting ahead of him. But by the end of the first lap Lorenzo was fifth, which became fourth on lap seven when Dovizioso crashed after losing grip at the front.

Positions soon settled, with all the excitement left for the end, when with five laps to go Lorenzo tried to overtake Rossi at the last corner but wobbled dangerously and barely managed to stay on the bike. The move resulted in him going wide and losing a second from the Italian.

Back then Pedrosa had 2.5s over the Yamaha duo, but that lead dropped to 1.5s at the beginning of the last lap, with the former 250cc champion further slowing down and allowing Rossi to catch him after the Corkscrew.

The reigning world champion tried all he could at the last corner, where he tried to outbrake Pedrosa from a long way behind, but it was just too far.

Stoner eventually fell 12s adrift of the leaders as he took fourth, ahead of his Ducati team-mate Hayden. The American enjoyed his best race of a difficult 2009 season as he fended off Elias to take fifth.

The race saw unusually high attrition. Gabor Talmacsi (Scot Honda) and Loris Capirossi (Suzuki) both retired on lap four, with the Hungarian crashing and the Italian having an off after which he went back to the pits and got off the bike. Sete Gibernau also crashed his Hernando Ducati on lap eight and retired on the spot.

James Toseland made a jump start from 15th on the grid and was penalised with a ride-through on lap five. But the Briton failed to comply with the penalty and on lap 11 was shown the black flag, after which he inexplicably did the ride-through on lap 12 and retired his Tech 3 Yamaha on the next lap.

Pos  Rider             Bike               Time/Gap
 1.  Dani Pedrosa      Honda            44m01.580s
 2.  Valentino Rossi   Yamaha           +   0.344s
 3.  Jorge Lorenzo     Yamaha           +   1.926s
4.  Casey Stoner      Ducati           +  12.432s
 5.  Nicky Hayden      Ducati           +  21.663s
 6.  Toni Elias        Gresini Honda    +  22.041s
 7.  Colin Edwards     Tech 3 Yamaha    +  30.201s
 8.  Chris Vermeulen   Suzuki           +  32.857s
 9.  Randy de Puniet   LCR Honda        +  40.325s
10.  Marco Melandri    Hayate Kawasaki  +  48.028s
11.  Alex de Angelis   Gresini Honda    +  48.810s
12.  Niccolo Canepa    Pramac Ducati    +1m18.531s

Retirements:

     Andrea Dovizioso  Honda                6 laps
     Sete Gibernau     Hernando Ducati      6 laps
     Loris Capirossi   Suzuki               3 laps
     Gabor Talmacsi    Scot Honda           3 laps
     James Toseland    Tech 3 Yamaha           DSQ



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Re: MotoGP: Laguna Seca July 5 *SPOILERS*
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2009, 06:37:15 pm »
Well done Pedrosa. Did anyone know what happened at the end to let Rossi almost pass him when he was so far in front at the start of the lap? I missed the press conference.

Well done Hayden to on his best finnish for the year.

Funnily enough it didnt come up in the PC, but it seems he was just slowing up to ensure in the finish, but almost overdid it.

Brilliant effort by Jorge Lorenzo though to ride with the injuries he had.  That was a huge fall in qualifying.  To ride with a partially dislocated shoulder must be a big ask as your shoulders take a lot of the g forces let alone the constant shift of weight on a bike at that level.....  He was filled with painkillers, and a fair bit of adrenalin was involved as well seeing as how quick after the race he got the pains again. He couldnt get the ice pack in quick enough after the race.   A case of the things you can do to your body at twenty that you probably cant at thirty.

I was really happy for Hayden.  Hopefully he can continue in that sort of form and that it was not just Laguna Factor.  It may have given him the a bit of a confidence boost on a track he knows blindfold to take it to other treacks now.

I miss the build up of the 125's and the 250's though, and its a pity they dont race at this iconic track.



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James Toseland made a jump start from 15th on the grid and was penalised with a ride-through on lap five. But the Briton failed to comply with the penalty and on lap 11 was shown the black flag, after which he inexplicably did the ride-through on lap 12 and retired his Tech 3 Yamaha on the next lap.



Terrible reporting....

From when he got given the penalty it was pretty clear he missed the firt signal from the pits re his penalty, the second time round the pit board made it more obvious.  I would say that he wrongly assumed he still had the three laps you get to obey the penalty, having missed the first signal.... By the time you see the signal you are well past the the pit entrance and so have to continue on round. The fact is that the black flag was showed on the lap he did his ride through he would not have seen the black flag, as the stewards hung over the pit wall on the trackside, at the time when James was in pit lane doing his ride through and clearly would not have seen it.  Seeing as he had missed the pit signal the team should have made it clear pitlane this lap to hifglight to him that he had missed the previous call and to come in next time round.

Why it takes the stewards until lap 5 (and a signal on lap 6) to judge a jump start I dont know... 

With no radio comms on bikes he would not have seen the black flag until the next time round after he had done the penalty and so came in to the garage on the next lap.  It shows that for signals like that the flag should probably be shown at the marshalls post before the pit entry.   

A pity as he was going ok, and with the others retiring he could have picked up some good points there. 
« Last Edit: July 06, 2009, 06:55:21 pm by Everso Biggyballies »
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Re: MotoGP: Laguna Seca July 5 *SPOILERS*
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2009, 07:09:46 pm »
I can only speak of Australian circuits, is that we try to run a Black Flag Relay (BFR) around halfway around the track when we have sufficient people trackside to man the circuit properly.

At Albert Park for the AGP, BFR is as Flag 12.5

Indy track is at 8.4
QR is at 2B (for the full circuit, or 4 or 5 on the other configs)
Morgan Park it used to be at 7, but now being used at 8 now.
Lakeside it was done at 4

I'm sure Thors mum and dad can let you know where they do them at the Victorian circuits.

As you can guess not only do the  :blackflag:  :meatballflag:  :badsport: get shown at the Start/Finish line, but they are also shown at BFR.  I really don't understand why MotoGP don't do the same thing, although it's my bet after this incident, they might review things. :)
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Re: MotoGP: Laguna Seca July 5 *SPOILERS*
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2009, 07:58:41 pm »
Nice info Pratty!

You know what annoys me? I'm assuming the date was on the thread here all along - there were adverts on telly all weekend - Did I think to set the video? Nope..  :cry:

Was already up at the time the race was on.. 'cause the Baby woke up ridiculously early?? Yep!   :mad:

The stepsons were here over the weekend so I was running around getting the kids breakfast etc etc and totally forgot to turn to turn on the telly until it was all over.. :tongueii: 

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Re: MotoGP: Laguna Seca July 5 *SPOILERS*
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2009, 10:09:39 pm »
did not see a HONDA win coming... wow

poor Casey hope he gets better soon coz he has the pace to fight the YAMAHAS but just needs the fitness.

man i wish i read this thread earlier coz i didnt drop Kalia from my DREAM TEAM d'oh
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Re: MotoGP: Laguna Seca July 5 *SPOILERS*
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2009, 01:03:54 am »
He's staying in the US to have all sorts of tests done to find out what the hell is going on

Im not too thrilled hes still riding TBH - one if he has too much of a drop of enegery he could crash out (and could do all sorts of damage)

and two if its Gladular fever like some suggest that could lead to chronic fatigue among other things if it gets worse

I am really worried now :blink:
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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2009, 03:23:14 pm »
dont u get glandular fever from kissing around  :hmm:

haha fat chance of this being the reason for short back and sides Casey
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Re: MotoGP: Laguna Seca July 5 *SPOILERS*
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2009, 05:22:19 pm »
dont u get glandular fever from kissing around  :hmm:

haha fat chance of this being the reason for short back and sides Casey

I think the Politically Correct term is 'social contact'  :D ...... but yes it is passed by saliva.  ;)
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« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2009, 11:46:08 am »
Lorenzo came so close to throwing it down the road during that race and further testing his threshold of pain. Gutsy effort.....
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Re: MotoGP: Laguna Seca July 5 *SPOILERS*
« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2009, 09:15:15 pm »
nice to see nicky hayden finishing in 5th. i hope he stays up the top from now on

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« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2009, 05:49:22 am »
nice to see nicky hayden finishing in 5th. i hope he stays up the top from now on


Agree totally, but the question will be how much of that was his local knowledge aat Laguna and whether he can have got some confidence in the bike on that track that he can now carry forward to other tracks.

Good luck to him.  I have always liked Hayden.
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