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2011 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander D'Italia (Monza)
« on: September 08, 2011, 04:53:50 pm »
sourced from various internet sites, enjoy

 
9 - 11 September 2011






AUTODROMO NAZIONALE MONZA




And of course Monza is the home of the famed Tifosi that give Monza a unique atmosphere.




The Track and Details

First race 1922

Circuit Length:     5.793 km (3.600 miles)
Race Length:    53 laps (306.7 km, 190.6 miles)
Details:    Permanent racing facility Clockwise
Corners:    11 (7 right-hand and
4 left-hand corners)
Lap Record:    1:21.046 (Rubens Barrichello, Ferrari, 2004)
Official Website:    www.monzanet.it
Top speed:     350 km/h (217 mph)
Average speed:    250 km/h (155 mph)
Time at full-throttle:    77%
Time under braking:    10%
Gear changes per lap:    42
Tyre compounds:    soft/hard
Tyre wear:    high
Brake demand:    very high
Downforce level:    very low
Engine demand:    [Very High]


2010 Fastest Lap
F. Alonso 1:24.139 on lap 52

2010 Pole Sitter
F. Alonso 1:21.962

2010 Race Winner
F. Alonso  Ferrari-Ferrari

Most wins by single driver   Michael Schumacher (5)





Timetable - (Brisbane Times)

ITALY | Monza
9,10,11 September 2011

Friday Practice 1    18:00-19:30    
Friday Practice 2    22:00-23:30
   
Saturday Practice    19:00 -20:00
Saturday Qualifying    22:00
   
Sunday Race    22:00

 It starts at 1400 hours local time, which is two hours ahead of GMT.


Its about this time of year the horror starts to set in..... The harsh realisation that the European season that started in Turkey all those months ago is behind us after this weekend at Monza, another one of F1's sacred sites.  From there we head off into the night for Singapore and for the final flyaway races.  And then it is all over for another year.

Monza marks a real return to power track territory, even if you thought Spa was quick! The 5.793km circuit in the Old Royal Park is one of the few remaining high speed tracks on the calendar and so requires the lowest downforce arrangement seen all year.  Most teams will run a unique aero package not shared with any other circuit.

Monza's chicanes and four key corners, however, also demand a balancing aerodynamic efficiency to ensure a smooth transition over the harsh kerbs. A traditional power track, engines are put through their paces over the weekend as they consistently reach speeds of 340kph and endure a full throttle ratio of 73% per lap.

Monza's extreme low-downforce demands are perhaps most similar to that used at Montreal. The performance of each team will come down to how well the their cars work in low-downforce configurations.



Monza Facts

*- Monza has played host to more Formula 1 grands prix than any other circuit since 1950. In fact the venue would boast a 100 per cent appearance record but for 1980 when the Italian Grand Prix went to Imola.

*- The legendary circuit itself is located in Royal parkland around 15 miles north-east of Milan. Opened in 1922, it was only the third purpose-built motor racing circuit to be constructed after Brooklands and Indianapolis.

*- The track used to boast a 2.6-mile section of high banking which the drivers had to drive on to every other lap at the end of the start/finish straight. Added in 1955, it was only used a handful of times before being abandoned due to safety concerns.  The banking although not serviceable is still in place as the pics show..... the aerial map shows clearly where the oval configuration fits in.




*- Double world champion Alberto Ascari was killed at Monza in 1955, driving a Ferrari sportscar. The corner that claimed his life now bears his name.

*- Peter Collins was on course to win the world championship at Monza in 1956 but was forced to hand over his car to Lancia team leader Juan Manuel Fangio 15 laps from the end. The Argentine went on to finish second and take the title.

*- In 1957 the impossible happened.  Vanwall filled the 3 car front row grid.  An all British Racing Green front row was something the locals just couldnt cope with, so with Italian logic, the stewards announced that the grid formation would be a 4 wide front row, thus elevating a nice red Maserati to the front row!

*- Phil Hill became the first American to win a world championship grand prix after taking victory for Ferrari in 1960 at Monza.
He clinched the championship at Monza a year later in tragic circumstances when team-mate and title rival Wolfgang Von Trips was killed in thee opening laps.

*- Jackie Stewart had his first ever GP victory at Monza in 1965.

*- Jochen Rindt was killed in practice for the 1970 race. The Austrian, who was managed by Bernie Ecclestone, subsequently became F1's first posthumous world champion.

*- One of the closest finishes in grand prix history took place at Monza in 1971, when Peter Gethin beat Ronnie Peterson to the flag by 0.01s as five cars waged an epic slipstreaming battle to the flag.

*- Niki Lauda made his miraculous return to the cockpit still heavily bandaged at Monza in 1976, just over 5 weeks  weeks after being given the last rites following his life-threatening accident at the Nurburgring. Incredibly, he was fastest of the three Ferrari qualifiers that day and he finished a stunning fourth in the race.

*- Super Swede Ronnie Peterson was the king of Monza in the mid-Seventies taking victory in the race in 1973, 1974 and 1976. Tragically he died after crashing at start of the 1978 Italian Grand Prix.

*- Monza has hosted the two fastest races in F1 history. Gethin's 1971 victory held the honour at 151.6mph, until Michael Schumacher averaged 153.875mph in 2003.

*- Gerhard Berger and Michele Alboreto took an emotional 1-2 for Ferrari at the 1988 Italian GP, just weeks after the death of the team's legendary founder Enzo. It was the only race all season that McLaren failed to win.

*- Michael Schumacher made his debut for Benetton in the 1991 Italian Grand Prix. Schumacher went on to win two world championships and 19 races for the team.

*- David Coulthard spun off on the parade lap while leading the field round from pole position before the start of the 1995 Italian Grand Prix.

*- In 1996, Michael Schumacher made the Monza Tifosi (fanatics) wild after he claimed the first Ferrari victory on home soil since 1988

*- Mika Hakkinen was famously filmed crying in the bushes after crashing out of the 1999 race. The Finn, who also threw his glove to the floor in disgust, thought he had blown his championship chances but recovered to take his second consecutive title.

*- A year later it was Michael Schumacher who turned on the waterworks. He burst into tears on being told that his 2000 victory meant he had equalled Ayrton Senna's tally of race victories.

*- The 2001 event took place in muted circumstances just days after the terrorist atrocities of September 11. The Ferraris ran with black nosecones and without sponsorship as a mark of respect to the victims. The race was won by Juan Pablo Montoya, his maiden F1 triumph.


Again in 2011 it will be on the 10th anniversary of that tragic event.

*- 2002 and Ferrari brought to Monza a one-two in front of their home fans with Rubens Barrichello on the top step of the podium and Michael Schumacher in second.
In 2003, Schumacher claimed his 50th Ferrari victory at Monza.

*- As if to underline the fact that Monza always seems to bring out something special in Ferrari, the Scuderia has won 17 times since 1950 at home. That's over double the amount of wins scored by McLaren (eight) and Williams (six).

*- Thirty-three different drivers have won the 58 Italian Grands Prix.

*- The Italian GP of 2007 was a first win for Fernando Alonso and then in 2008 was Sebastian Vettel's first win in a Toro Rosso.  The only drivers in the field to have won are FA, Rubens (2004), DC back in 1997 and Schumacher.

* Felipe Massa finally scored points at Monza in 2010 and stood on the third step of the podium.
Kubica actually scored his first ever pdium at Monza in only his third F1 race.

* 13 of the current drivers have scored career points at Monza, Rubens the top scorer with 43pts, KR next with 24, Alonso 19,
Button 18, DC 16, etc






Hi Res Google Earth Map here:
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Autodromo+Nazionale+Monza,+20052+Monza+Milan
Just click on the satellite image when the map comes up.

LAP RECORD
Rubens Barrichello holds the lap record at the circuit. His time of 1m21.046s was set on his way to victory for Ferrari in 2004.



Track

Mark Webber believes the first lap at Monza remains the most dangerous of the season, despite the safety revisions made to the second chicane run-off area for 2007's race.

The Grand Prix Drivers Association has voiced its concerns over a number of years about the safety of Formula 1's fastest circuit, with the gravel run off at the end of the 205mph run up to the second chicane having caused particular fears.

Even with an asphalt run-off area and GPDA director Webber says although it has made that particular corner safer, the track itself remains 'on the edge'. 

We are travelling at high speeds here, no question about it.

The first chicane's fine.

The second chicane is... every time you go there... I didn't see the run-off until the second day because I was lucky enough to make the apex most times but I had a look on one of the in-laps after I finished a run, I actually drove across it and had a look, and the asphalt is not bad, because obviously we've seen that it arrests the car, plus it doesn't trip the car up on the gravel and things like that, which is one of our biggest worries for the second chicane, and Ascari.


Parabolica is also on the edge.

"If you have a failure there you can probably go in pretty hard."

Webber admits the layout of the historic circuit means that the danger element is always likely to be higher here than at other venues, no more so than on the first lap of the race.

That's Monza, he said

It's very difficult for us to make progress here because the guys  meaning the FIA and the people here at Monza  have tried their best to slowly chip away with it but it's probably the most dangerous first lap that we do on the run to the second chicane here, it's probably one of the most dangerous if not the most dangerous first lap that we do in the season, if it's in dry conditions.

Monza Preview

Monza is the Mecca of Ferrari's tifosi . It's the fastest track of the year and it's good to go there, knowing that I can count on a car, which runs how I like it.


Thanks to the nature of the circuit, and the way in which some cars are faster in a straight-line and more stable than others under heavy braking, there are several overtaking opportunities around the lap.


'With this small amount of downforce, you then have to adapt areas such as braking stability and mechanical balance to get good grip in the corners, because the lack of downforce means the car has very little. Last year did not give me any good memories, but it is a track that I would really like to win at, so hopefully we can make that happen.'


Teams use their lowest downforce settings here, and you can get some idea of the punishment the engine gets from the fact that the pit straight demands more than 16 seconds of full-throttle running. Every lap the cars ran under full throttle in four sections, reaching speeds of around 340 km/h. Inevitably, that is followed by very heavy braking for the chicanes, which have high kerbs that mete out further punishment to the machinery.





Strategy

Since a pit stop here requires 25 seconds, the Italian Grand Prix is often a single-stop race. However the tyre life of the 'option tyre' may not be allow this strategy, and two is the normal. 



Weather Forecast

The weather forecast appears fine and sunny at this point of time. 

 Warm (max 25°C on Sunday), Wind will be generally light.


http://www.weather-forecast.com/locations/Monza/forecasts/latest


Monza Tyres

"Monza is an extremely difficult circuit to master from a tyre perspective. In terms of track surface you could use a soft tyre.

"However, because of the high speeds a lot of heat is generated and therefore to cope with that you select a harder compound. This combines with the low downforce to make a compromise in terms of grip.

"It's extremely important in Monza that the teams adhere to the minimum tyre pressures advised for durability reasons, and this is a higher pressure than at other tracks.

"Of course the high pressure compromises the traction in the slow corners, but safety comes first. It's up to the team engineers to get the best compromise from their cars from the aerodynamics and suspension settings."

Bridgestone will bring the same soft and hard compound Potenzas to Monza that they used at Spa-Francorchamps.


With such high top speeds, and an average lap speed of 250kph, extensive loads are exerted on the brakes during each braking event. Turn one, for example, sees drivers brake so hard into the corner, they experience 5+g. Accordingly, brake durability is crucial while a car's stability under braking is also important at Monza where the track surface is notoriously bumpy.
     





Braking simulation for Monza using a Motec i2 pro based on a McLaren MP4-19b


It's way beyond me, but does show how the brakes get hammered at time from the top speeds found at Monza.



Previous Winners Italian GP

Year    Driver          Constructor Engine
2010 ALONSO Fernando Ferrari   Ferrari
2009   BARRICHELLO Rubens   Brawn   Mercedes
2008   VETTEL Sebastian   Toro Rosso   Ferrari
2007   ALONSO Fernando   McLaren   Mercedes
2006   SCHUMACHER Michael   Ferrari   Ferrari
2005   MONTOYA Juan-Pablo   McLaren   Mercedes
2004   BARRICHELLO Rubens   Ferrari   Ferrari
2003   SCHUMACHER Michael   Ferrari   Ferrari
2002   BARRICHELLO Rubens   Ferrari   Ferrari
2001   MONTOYA Juan-Pablo   Williams   BMW
2000   SCHUMACHER Michael   Ferrari   Ferrari
1999   FRENTZEN Heinz-Harald   Jordan   Honda
1998   SCHUMACHER Michael   Ferrari   Ferrari
1997   COULTHARD David   McLaren   Mercedes


LAST YEARS RACE

2010 Qualifying results



2010 Race results




 We should remember these Monza Heroes who lost their lives at Monza-
 RIP Alberto Ascari, Wolfgang Von Trips, Jochen Rindt and Ronnie Peterson




2011 marks the 41st anniversary of Jochen Rindt's death at Monza.



HISTORY


Near Milan , in the park of Vialle Reale lies the Autodromo di Monza. One of the last few fast and old fashioned European GP circuits. 

The track was constructed in 1922 to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the founding of the Milan Automobile Club. The S.I.A.S (Società Incremento Automobilismo e Sport) was set up to organise the construction that was funded entirely with private capital. The track was designed by the architect Alfredo Rosselli with various goals in mind. Several possible locations were considered for the autodrome, the most convincing of which were in the "moorland" area of Gallarate, where Malpensa international airport now lies, and the Cagnola district which at that time was on the outskirts of Milan. The draft projects for these two solutions called for a peripheral ring circuit with possible complementary courses inside it. But the final decision fell on the Villa Reale park in Monza which, at that time belonged to the Italian Veterans' Institute.

The first stone was laid by Vincenzo Lancia and Felice Nazzaro (probably one of Italy's first car race winners (1907 & 1922 French GP  and two time Targa Florio winner,  at the end of February, 1922, but only a few days later the first ecological concern began to show up with the intervention of the under-secretary for Public Education, who ordered suspension of work for reasons of "artistic and monumental value and landscape conservation". As the intricate controversy developed the argument for the absolute necessity of the autodrome prevailed, even though with smaller size than originally planned, and at the end of April official approval was received.




Ironically just recently environmentalists put in a local council that successfully allowed for the circuit to have very limited unsilenced use, and put the GP in danger of being lost to Monza.  Local residents of course, who move to somewhere close and....etc.  Fortunately the regional mayor just did a 'dont be so stupid man, this is Monza and the Italian GP we are talking of.....', and threw the injunction out.

Constructors wanted somewhere to test vehicles at top speeds, and so needed a good straight. It also needed to test the manoeuvrability and resilience of the machines under extreme conditions. In terms of creating a good racing track, there needed to be a balance of high speed sections and more demanding corners, all of which needed to be easy to place spectators round.

Opened in 1922, it was only the third purpose-built motor racing circuit to be constructed after Brooklands and Indianapolis. the track was completed in August. The grand stands opened to the public in September of that year. a banked oval track  incorporated into the design of the road racing circuit, The track was 10 km in length and was built on an area of 340 hectares.


A shot from the 2009 race showing where the old 10km track used to go after leaving the pits.


The list of famous victories and horrifying accidents is long, and all combine to make Monza one of the most magical places on the Formula One calendar. For many there is nowhere that encapsulates the sport better than this circuit.

The Italians call it "La Pista Magica," the magic track, a description few would disagree with.



The Closest race ever...1971 Italian GP, Monza.

Its hard to imagine these days but the Monza circuit used to play host to tremendous slipstreaming duels of which 1971 was the greatest. Clay Regazzoni's Ferrari blasted into the lead from the fourth row but on the fourth lap he was passed in turn by Peterson, Stewart and Jo Siffert. Stewart and Peterson would trade the lead for the next couple of laps. Resembling not so much a Grand Prix race but an American oval race, all that was missing was the fender bending.

The lead group consisted of no less then 12 cars racing flat out nose to tail but soon this murderous pace began to take its toll. Both Ferraris and Stewart's Tyrrell were out while Mike Hailwood, the motorcycle champion, was now in the lead from his 17th position at the start of the race.

Chris Amon decided to make his move and went from fourth to first in one lap with eighteen to go. With seven laps to go he accidentally tore the visor on his helmet and had to drop back. The lead group now consisted of four cars, Peterson, Cevert, Hailwood and Gethin.  Entering the last lap Peterson was in the lead but was passed by Cevert entering Lesmo. Peterson took this in stride as he was planning to resume the lead at Parabolica where he had a definite advantage over the Frenchmen who he felt to be his biggest challenger.

Just as he was lined up to make his move he saw out of the side of one eye a blur streak by. That blur turned out to be Peter Gethin passing on the grass and seemingly out of control. Fearing the worse both Peterson and Cevert hesitated as Gethin with all four wheels locked up and smoking furiously was able to regain control and cross the finish line 0.01 sec in from of Peterson.  (There is some discussion over whether this is really the closest, with technically shorter times appearing later, but the 0.01 was the smallest timing unit measured and 0.01 was more or less the first step from a dead heat.
In the end 0.61 seconds covered the first five cars.


Mark Webber takes us on his RBR simulator for a lap



WDC Championship Points [post Spa]
DRIVERS CHAMPIONSHIP POSITIONS:
POS    DRIVER          POINTS
1    Sebastian Vettel    German    RBR-Renault    259
2    Mark Webber    Australian    RBR-Renault    167
3    Fernando Alonso    Spanish    Ferrari    157
4    Jenson Button    British    McLaren-Mercedes    149
5    Lewis Hamilton    British    McLaren-Mercedes    146
6    Felipe Massa    Brazilian    Ferrari    74
7    Nico Rosberg    German    Mercedes    56
8    Michael Schumacher    German    Mercedes    42
9    Vitaly Petrov    Russian    Renault    34
10    Nick Heidfeld    German    Renault    34
11    Kamui Kobayashi    Japanese    Sauber-Ferrari    27
12    Adrian Sutil    German    Force India-Mercedes    24
13    Sebastien Buemi    Swiss    STR-Ferrari    12
14    Jaime Alguersuari    Spanish    STR-Ferrari    10
15    Sergio Perez    Mexican    Sauber-Ferrari    8
16    Paul di Resta    British    Force India-Mercedes    8
17    Rubens Barrichello    Brazilian    Williams-Cosworth    4
18    Pastor Maldonado    Venezuelan    Williams-Cosworth    1
19    Pedro de la Rosa    Spanish    Sauber-Ferrari    0
20    Jarno Trulli    Italian    Lotus-Renault    0
21    Vitantonio Liuzzi    Italian    HRT-Cosworth    0
22    Bruno Senna    Brazilian    Renault    0
23    Jerome d'Ambrosio    Belgian    Virgin-Cosworth    0
24    Heikki Kovalainen    Finnish    Lotus-Renault    0
25    Timo Glock    German    Virgin-Cosworth    0
26    Narain Karthikeyan    Indian    HRT-Cosworth    0
27    Daniel Ricciardo    Australian    HRT-Cosworth    0
28    Karun Chandhok    Indian    Lotus-Renault    0




CONSTRUCTOR STANDINGS

POS    CONSTRUCTOR         POINTS
1    RBR-Renault    426
2    McLaren-Mercedes    295
3    Ferrari    231
4    Mercedes    98
5    Renault    68
6    Sauber-Ferrari    35
7    Force India-Mercedes    32
8    STR-Ferrari    22
9    Williams-Cosworth    5
10    Lotus-Renault    0
11    HRT-Cosworth    0
12    Virgin-Cosworth    0


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Two independent DRS zones for Italian GP

From thef1times.com:

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Two independent DRS zones for Italian GP

Monday 29th August 2011   

The FIA are planning to experiment with two individual DRS zones for the Italian Grand Prix for this first time this season.

Whilst a double-DRS zone is nothing new, having experienced it at both Canada and Europe, this will be the first time that two zones have been totally separate from one another, meaning each zone will have a different detection point.

Previously the software used by the governing body wasn't able to cope with such a setup, but advancements over the season will allow the FIA to run two detection points and two activation points for the first time.

The first zone will unsurprisingly be along the start/finish straight, with the second between the Curva di Lesmo (turn 7) and Ascari (turn 8).

This will have a major impact on the level of downforce and gear ratios the teams run in order to maximise the use of DRS down two key straights.

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Italian GP Free Practice 1 Results:

Pos   Driver   Team   Time   Gap   Laps
01.    L. Hamilton    McLaren    1:23.865         18
02.    J. Button    McLaren    1:24.786    +0.921    19
03.    S. Vettel    Red Bull    1:25.231    +1.366    25
04.    M. Webber    Red Bull    1:25.459    +1.594    24 :aus:
05.    A. Sutil    Force India    1:26.550    +2.685    23
06.    V. Petrov    Renault    1:26.625    +2.760    20
07.    F. Alonso    Ferrari    1:26.647    +2.782    20
08.    F. Massa    Ferrari    1:26.676    +2.811    24
09.    S. Perez    Sauber    1:26.694    +2.829    28
10.    J. Alguersuari    Toro Rosso    1:26.696    +2.831    15
11.    M. Schumacher    Mercedes    1:26.699    +2.834    21
12.    N. Hulkenberg    Force India    1:26.826    +2.961    21
13.    R. Barrichello    Williams    1:26.836    +2.971    25
14.    K. Kobayashi    Sauber    1:26.996    +3.131    29
15.    P. Maldonado    Williams    1:27.365    +3.500    25
16.    B. Senna    Renault    1:27.385    +3.520    23
17.    S. Buemi    Toro Rosso    1:27.433    +3.568    25
18.    N. Rosberg    Mercedes    1:27.492    +3.627    24
19.    H. Kovalainen    Team Lotus    1:39.593    +5.674    10
20.    K. Chandhok    Team Lotus    1:30.148    +6.283    19
21.    D. Ricciardo    HRT    1:30.609    +6.744    27 :aus:
22.    V. Liuzzi    HRT    1:30.619    +6.754    24
23.    T. Glock    Virgin    1:31.052    +7.187    12
24.    J. d'Ambrosio    Virgin    1:31.899    +8.034    22


Italian GP Free Practice 2 Results:

Pos   Driver   Team   Time   Gap   Laps
01.    S. Vettel    Red Bull    1:24.010         37
02.    L. Hamilton    McLaren    1:24.046    +0.036    21
03.    M. Schumacher    Mercedes    1:24.347    +0.337    39
04.    F. Massa    Ferrari    1:24.366    +0.356    33
05.    F. Alonso    Ferrari    1:24.433    +0.423    31
06.    M. Webber    Red Bull    1:24.468    +0.458    32 :aus:
07.    J. Button    McLaren    1:24.508    +0.498    30
08.    S. Perez    Sauber    1:25.097    +1.087    39
09.    K. Kobayashi    Sauber    1:25.182    +1.172    37
10.    B. Senna    Renault    1:25.325    +1.315    38
11.    V. Petrov    Renault    1:25.450    +1.440    31
12.    A. Sutil    Force India    1:25.496    +1.486    39
13.    P. di Resta    Force India    1:25.683    +1.673    37
14.    J. Alguersuari    Toro Rosso    1:25.758    +1.748    29
15.    R. Barrichello    Williams    1:26.202    +2.192    36
16.    P. Maldonado    Williams    1:26.353    +2.343    40
17.    S. Buemi    Toro Rosso    1:28.347    +4.337    5
18.    J. Trulli    Mercedes    1:28.559    +4.549    32
19.    H. Kovalainen    Team Lotus    1:28.605    +4.595    32
20.    T. Glock    Virgin    1:28.804    +4.794    25
21.    T. Liuzzi    HRT    1:29.162    +5.152    34
22.    N. Rosberg    Mercedes    1:29.187    +5.174    29
23.    J. d'Ambrosio    Virgin    1:29.622    +5.612    34
24.    D. Ricciardo    HRT    1:29.841    +5.831    7 :aus:
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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2011, 06:11:04 am »
Williams fined for breaching tyre regulations

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Williams have been fined €5,000 (£4,300) after they were found to have breached the allotted tyre regulations for practice on Friday.

According to the FIA, Rubens Barrichello was found to have used a set of option tyres which hadn't been allocated by the governing body's technical delegate.

Before practice, three sets of dry-weather tyres are signed off for use during practice by the FIA.

Article 25.4 of the Formula 1 Sporting Regulations states: "Three sets of dry-weather tyres will be allocated by the FIA technical delegate to each nominated driver for use during P1 and P2, two of "prime" specification and one of "option" specification. These are the only dry-weather tyres which may be used during these sessions."
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander D'Italia (Monza)
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2011, 11:30:08 pm »
Italian GP Qualifying Results:

Pos   Driver   Team   Q1 Time   Q2 Time   Q3 Time
01.    S. Vettel    Red Bull    1:24.002    1:22.914    1:22.275
02.    L. Hamilton    McLaren    1:23.976    1:23.172    1:22.725
03.    J. Button    McLaren    1:24.013    1:23.031    1:22.777
04.    F. Alonso    Ferrari    1:24.134    1:23.342    1:22.841
05.    M. Webber    Red Bull    1:24.148    1:23.387    1:22.972 :aus:
06.    F. Massa    Ferrari    1:24.523    1:23.681    1:23.188
07.    V. Petrov    Renault    1:24.486    1:23.741    1:23.530
08.    M. Schumacher    Mercedes    1:25.108    1:23.671    1:23.777
09.    N. Rosberg    Mercedes    1:24.550    1:23.335    1:24.477
10.    B. Senna    Renault    1:24.914    1:24.157    
11.    P. di Resta    Force India    1:24.574    1:24.163    
12.    A. Sutil    Force India    1:24.595    1:24.209    
13.    R. Barrichello    Williams    1:24.975    1:24.648    
14.    P. Maldonado    Williams    1:24.798    1:24.726    
15.    S. Perez    Sauber    1:25.113    1:24.845    
16.    S. Buemi    Toro Rosso    1:25.164    1:24.932    
17.    K. Kobayashi    Sauber    1:24.879    1:25.065    
18.    J. Alguersuari    Toro Rosso    1:25.334         
19.    J. Trulli    Team Lotus    1:26.647         
20.    H. Kovalainen    Team Lotus    1:27.184         
21.    T. Glock    Virgin    1:27.591         
22.    J. d'Ambrosio    Virgin    1:27.609         
23.    D. Ricciardo    Hispania    1:28.054  :aus:        
24.    V. Liuzzi    Hispania    1:28.231    
   
Q1 107% Time:    1:29.854

In my opinion a pretty ordinary qualifying session all around.
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander D'Italia (Monza)
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2011, 12:03:40 am »
Beat me to it with the results post.:P

Yeah, I wasn't all that excited over the qualifying tonight, but am hoping to see a more exciting race tomorrow night though. :)
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander D'Italia (Monza)
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2011, 01:02:51 pm »
 :aus: DR out qualifies Liuzzi  :Clap:. Great stuff. I hope Webber manages to get the car off the line tonight. I'd be stoked if he gets through the 1st lap without losing a place for once.

As for the rest I don't even care as long as there are some good battles to make the race interesting because, lets face it, both championships are sorted.

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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2011, 02:47:19 pm »
I hope Webber manages to get the car off the line tonight.
Yeah; that would make for a change. ;)

Didn't Webber's qualifying program leave him with two sets of option tyres for the race? If I'm correct there it may provide for some interesting tactics........

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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander D'Italia (Monza)
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2011, 05:50:27 pm »
The word seems to be that Vettel is running a lower diff ratio and carrying a little more wing that Webber. He is apparently down quite a bit on top speed over Webber and even more behind the McLarens and in particular the Ferraris. This may make him vulnerable in the DRS zones or limit any advantages in using it for passing as he will be on the rev limiter. Monza is not the place to have limits on top speed if it comes down to slipstreaming.
Seb has a new engine, but Mark is on a pre-used unit.
Rosbergs Q3 time was done on the hard rubber and with the Mercs top speed ability he could be a smokey.
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander D'Italia (Monza)
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2011, 06:15:54 pm »
I saw that Webber was on an older engine...I cannot think of a reason why on this of all circuits
I know last year he held back so he had an extra new engine but he was leading the standings at that stage and RBR was just about getting some points at a circuit that did not suit them...not the case this year

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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander D'Italia (Monza)
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2011, 08:31:30 pm »
Amus, I believe, reported that Marks new engine had an oil leak, so the new unit was not added to his car Saturday.... seems odd, anyway.

The race should be very interesting tonight - Mark ran well on the long runs Friday and put in a cracking time without KERS that day. I think he'll have trouble for the first half of the race with his gear ratio, but as the fuel lightens, we should see another storming drive. Given his starts, he'll need one.

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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander D'Italia (Monza)
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2011, 12:38:36 am »
Well that one turned out a bit differently to what I thought it might.

I thought Vettel might have been in a bit of strife in the DRS zones with his gear selections, but once he properly cleared Alonso, he was gone !

Shame about Webber though, as even though he lifted off early, he had his front wing still stuck under the car which understeered him right off in to the wall.

Here's the Live Timing results :-




Off to Singapore next... wonder if the RBR's still have their KERS troubles with the tram electrics there this year ? ;)

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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander D'Italia (Monza)
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2011, 06:19:41 am »
Well that started out interesting and got progressively more boring.

Webber may have tried to get back to the pits but, in my opinion, the accident at the chicane with Massa that caused that was all his fault.

:RollEyes: Schumacher? :RollEyes:

The Liuzzi accident sort of plays into Ricciardo's hands as far as his standing within HRT goes; it's a shame DR retired.


Liuzzi handed Singapore grid-penalty

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Sunday 11th September 2011   

Vitantonio Liuzzi will start the Singapore Grand Prix five places lower than he qualifies, though that will likely be last, after causing an accident on the opening lap of the Italian GP.

The Hispania driver was quite erratic as he attempted to gain places into the first corner. Unfortunately for him, he ran wide onto the grass and lost the rear which saw him enter the corner backwards, taking out several others which included Adrian Sutil and Nico Rosberg.

He also received a reprimand for causing the collision.
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander D'Italia (Monza)
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2011, 11:26:14 am »
Another interesting race despite  Vettel dominating,i thought Mark's move was a bit risky considering the pressure Massa is under.Overtaking a Ferrari at Monza is always dicey so a bit of a surprise to see Vettel also desperate in the opening laps.
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander D'Italia (Monza)
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2011, 03:01:27 pm »
In my opinion it was more than a bit risky. He never had the advantage on the racing line entering the corner. It was always going to be Mass Hysteria's corner....... he should have backed off.
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander D'Italia (Monza)
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2011, 03:09:35 pm »
In my opinion it was more than a bit risky. He never had the advantage on the racing line entering the corner. It was always going to be Mass Hysteria's corner....... he should have backed off.

I agree,just being diplomatic,shocking W/end for Mark,on the backfoot since he first sat in the car.KERS problems again,you would think a race team with a 100 mill. plus budget would have it sorted by now.
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander D'Italia (Monza)
« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2011, 03:16:58 pm »
In my opinion it was more than a bit risky. He never had the advantage on the racing line entering the corner. It was always going to be Mass Hysteria's corner....... he should have backed off.
I believe the current description for that sort of move is "Hamiltonesque".
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander D'Italia (Monza)
« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2011, 03:19:54 pm »
In my opinion it was more than a bit risky. He never had the advantage on the racing line entering the corner. It was always going to be Mass Hysteria's corner....... he should have backed off.
I believe the current description for that sort of move is "Hamiltonesque".
Schumacher was popular once upon a time too.... ;)
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander D'Italia (Monza)
« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2011, 08:51:51 pm »
An ordinary weekend for Mark. Patience running a bit short there with Massa, in an unlikely overtaking move. He should know better.

Interesting to see Schumel up to his old tricks .... Ross on the radio was an interesting situation. Bad luck for Nico, who could have had a good race too.

 

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