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2011 Formula 1 Shell Belgian Grand Prix (Spa-Francorchamps)
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2011 Formula 1 Shell Belgian Grand Prix (Spa-Francorchamps)










Formula One comes back to the legendary Spa-Francorchamps circuit for the Belgian GP.   

Covering over seven kilometres, Spa-Francorchamps is the longest race track in the calendar and also features the most extensive full-throttle section by far. Its famous layout makes it one of the most revered circuits in Formula One.   Spa will provide the perfect stage for another compelling Grand Prix.


Spa-Francorchamps is one of the specialities in the Formula One calendar. We all look forward to the only Track in the calendar that can still be described as a natural circuit since it follows the features of the landscape. In the Ardennes, steep inclines are as much a feature as the unpredictable weather.

Located between Liege and Brussels in the Ardennes forest,Spa-Francorchamps is as mentioned the longest circuit on the calendar. Despite some significant modifications over the years from its original 14.9km layout, the current circuit is still predominantly run on narrow, public roads while following the natural landscape. The track boasts an exhilarating sequence of 20 sweeping medium and high speed corners connected by even faster straights. Of the nine left and eleven right turns, the most technically challenging for any driver is undoubtedly Eau Rouge.


A medium downforce track, with medium tyre and brake wear, it’s the engines that experience the greatest demands at Spa with the average lap speed circulating the 233km/h mark and top speeds reaching 320km/h.


Stretching across such a broad area, it’s little surprise that different parts of the circuit can experience different weather conditions at one time. With rain not uncommon to the region, it’s often the case that one part of the track will be wet while another completely dry. It might make for some great action for the fans, but such unpredictable weather conditions can wreak havoc with car set-up which must be carefully considered at this race track.


Spa, along with Monza, provides the most rigorous test of an engine in the calendar. 70 per cent of the lap is spent at full throttle with two prolonged full throttle periods of over 20 seconds. The most demanding of these is without a doubt the 23 second stretch from La Source to Les Combes, via Eau Rouge (turns 1 to 7). This stretch presents a unique test to engines as they are exposed to both extreme positive and negative vertical 'g' forces as the car drops through Eau Rouge and out over the following crest which must factored in to the engine design.

Spa is also the longest lap of the season, and the circuit has a very high fuel penalty meaning that an engine with good fuel consumption can be beneficial under the current qualifying system. Meanwhile, downforce levels are a compromise between maximizing grip in the high number of 'aero corners' and maximising overtaking opportunities down the two long flat-out 'straights'.




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THE TRACK and RACE details

First used 1950



Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps
26th - 28th August, 2011
Circuit Length:    7.004 km (4.352 miles)
Race Length:    44 laps (308.2 km, 191.5 miles)
Details:    Permanent racing facility Clockwise
Corners:    20 (11 right-hand and 9 left-hand corners)
Lap Record:    1:45.108 (Kimi Räikkönen, McLaren-Mercedes, 2004)
Official Website:    www.spa-francorchamps.be
Top speed:     330 km/h (205 mph)
Average speed:    233 km/h (145 mph)
Pitlane loss:    14.6 s
Pitlane length:    390 m
Gear changes per lap:    52
Time at full-throttle:    70%
Time under braking:    10%
Fuel effect:    0.05 s per lap of fuel
Fuel consumption:    2.21 kg per 5 km
Tyre compounds:    soft/medium
Tyre wear:    low/medium
Brake demand:    medium
Downforce level:    medium


2010 Fastest Lap
L Hamilton, McLaren: 1:49.069

2010 Pole Sitter

M Webber, Red Bull

2010 Race Winner

L Hamilton, McLaren

Most wins by single driver   Michael Schumacher (6)




F1 TIMETABLE (Brisbane Times)

Friday 26 August 2011
Friday Practice 1    18:00 - 19:30
Friday Practice 2    22:00 - 23:30

Saturday 27 August 2011
Saturday Practice    19:00 - 20:00
Qualifying    22:00

Sunday 28 August 2011
Race       22:00



Grid - 2010




   

 Result - 2010

   

Previous Pole Positions

2010 M Webber  :aus:
2009 G Fisichella
2008 L Hamilton
2007 K Raikkonen
2005 J P Montoya 
2004 J Trulli   
2002 M Schumacher

Pit Stop Schedule

1 stop Laps 23-29
2 stops 15-20, 27-33
3 stops 9-12, 18-22, 29-34





Pit Stop Strategies

Pitstops strategy depends critically on the weather conditions.   Everything can be going perfectly and then the rain throws you a curved ball. Quick decisions over pitstops and tyre changes can easily win or lose you the race if there are changing conditions, which is often the case at Spa.  Two stops will be the norm if dry, but if all wet there is a chance of 1 stop for some.


Spa-Francorchamps boasts what is widely regarded as the greatest and most daunting corner in the world: Eau Rouge. Commitment and precision are required in equal measure to take on the climbing right-hander. The vertical wall of concrete challenges the drivers to carry as much speed as possible over the brow and into the 190mph sprint towards Les Combes. A good exit to Eau Rouge will see drivers able to challenge the car ahead at the right hander. Through Eau Rouge the drivers are placed under lateral G forces of more than 5G and compression. It also sees high structural loads placed on the car and engine.The super-fast Eau Rouge, though not the challenge it once was thanks to modern aerodynamics and traction , is still a tingling spectacle and a sequence of corners to be respected.




The inaugural Belgian Grand Prix, which was held on 18th June in 1950, was the fifth race in the history of Formula 1. The 492.8km race was won by Juan Manuel Fangio. The Argentinean repeated this success twice - 1954 and 1955 with Mercedes.

In 1968, McLaren founder Bruce took the first Formula 1 World Championship victory for the marque, which had been established two years previously.

Until 1970 a 14.08km circuit in Spa was used, primarily consisting of public roads. In 1972 and 1974 the races were staged in Nivelles near Brussels, and in 1973, 1975 - 1982 and 1984 Zolder was the venue of the Belgian Grand Prix.

The new 6.94 kilometre circuit in Spa featured on the Formula 1 calendar for the first time in 1983. With the exception of 1984, 2003 and 2006 it has been the home of the Belgian Grand Prix ever since. McLaren-Mercedes has won four out of the last six Belgian races. David Coulthard began the run in 1999, with Mika Häkkinen taking victory after overtaking Michael Schumacher and lapping Ricardo Zonta in a passing manoeuvre that is considered one of the most exhilarating in the history of the sport. Kimi Raikkonen then took victories in 2004, 2005 for the team, repeating the triumph for Ferrari in 2007, 2009



All in all there is no F1-safe circuit on earth that is even in the same league as Spa, a point of view certainly shared by most of the drivers, and I guess fans too.

Perhaps that’s why Schumacher made it his spiritual home. It was the scene of his F1 debut and his first win. Then again, Raikkonen has in recent years become the Spa 'Meister', and has been the winner of the four Belgian Grands Prix – and the rub of it is that he was driving a McLaren and then backed it up with wins for Ferrari.




Hamilton will be fired up at the prospect of never having won at Spa, particulary after his "short cut" penalty.  Actually he did win in F3 Euroseries, but he was disqualified for in post race scrutineering for using an oversized and illegal diffuser, and 2008 race was not his best.....in fact had Pouhon not been changed to a concrete run off rather than the sand / gravel trap that it replaced he would have ended in the sand after running off the track trying to catch Alonso near race end. His 2009 resulted in a DNF.


In 2008 the Ferraris were altogether in their own race, and they won 1-2 at a canter, having dominated the front row in qualifying with Kimi winning from Pole, and in 2009 Fisi's Force India was a shock to all finishing second, which resulted in a Ferrari seat for him whilst Massa was out injured.

This was also a race which the former all conquering Brawns only had one finish in a low 7th, and a DNF for Button.




General setup.

Good car stability is a pre-requisite, and mistakes made in the early part of the lap are difficult to recover from. A car that can withstand some kerb-riding is also important to get through the Bus Stop chicane quickly.  It also must incorporate high traction out of La Source, to ensure an optimum exit from the hairpin to gain speed fast in the long drag through Eau Rouge to Les Combes.  With the V8 engines now used, approaching Les Combes is the first time your foot will leave the floorboards in a well set up car.....



Suspension

In terms of suspension settings, the overall compromise is relatively stiff in order to ensure good aerodynamic performance in the quicker corners, and a good change of direction in the quick chicanes. However, good traction is also critical on the exit of the final chicane and La Source hairpin, as poor performance in either part of the circuit can leave a driver vulnerable to overtaking under braking for the next corner.


Ride heights

Car ride heights are limited by the high forces encountered through the compression in Eau Rouge. From the bottom to the top of the hill, the car's ride height can vary by as much as 25mm and if the car bottoms out too much, the drivers can lose control. With the V8 engines and the current aerodynamic regulations, Eau Rouge is now taken easily flat out at around 300 kph. The drivers will scrub off around 10 kph through the sequence, but it is important to conserve as much speed as possible in order to maintain position along the long straight before Les Combes.

Aero requirements

The circuit features a high number of "aero corners" (only 6 of the 20 turns are taken at less than 150 kph), and this would normally push the teams towards relatively high levels of downforce in order to maximise grip in the corners, as is the case at a circuit like Silverstone for example. However, Spa imposes a very different trade-off, because the two long flat-out "straights" on the circuit both provide genuine overtaking opportunities.
Spa demands medium downforce, comparable to Montreal, but in reality Spa requires a compromise.... High aerodynamic efficiency is very important,(generating maximum downforce for minimum drag) is the key to success at this circuit. as you need a lot of downforce in the fast sweeping corners of the middle sector, while at the same time requiring plenty of top speed for overtaking and maximum speed at the end of the long straights.This  top-speed is a critical factor in order to protect position, as well as to overtake.

Tyres

Finding the right settings on the car is always the basis of a good performance, but the tyres are another important element prone to be affected by the unpredictable climate of the Belgian Ardennes.A crucial factor will be how to exploit the tyre potential.    In Spa they will use the 'white'
medium and 'yellow' soft compounds. 



Engines.

At Spa the engines are put under the highest strain of the season. The longest full-throttle part starts at Eau Rouge and leads all the way up to Les Combes; it is 1,900 metres long and takes almost 24 seconds. In addition, there is another, 1,600-metre-long full-throttle section between corners 14 and 18 which lasts 21 seconds.  In all over 70% of the lap is foot to the floor.

Weather


Another great aspect of Spa is the weather. It rains there. A lot. Every year. Not always all the way around the circuit! 

The mountains in the area create their own micro-climate and small bursts of rain can appear on one part of the circuit and not on the others, which makes tyre choice an additional challenge!   Since inception, Spa-Francorchamps has been famous for this unpredictable weather. At one stage in its history it had rained at the Belgian Grand Prix for twenty years in a row. Frequently drivers confront a part of the course that is clear and bright while another stretch is rainy and slippery. Most drivers today say that the Spa course is the most challenging race track that remains on the F1 calendar.

Wet weather we know doesnt suit Massa, indeed even Ferrari have struggled with poor pit management at the hint of moisture.  One thing in particular with wet at Spa is that the track does not dry quickly, and with so many fast corners such as Eau Rouge and Pouhon, due to the lengh of the lap, one lap on the wrong tyres can easily wipe out a 30 second gap

Wet weather could provoke an appearance of the safety car, which as we have seen can ruin a particular drivers race in a second, and could even play a crucial role in the championship if it happens to disadvantage one of the top four drivers.

With that in mind the concept of a random finishing order is not beyond a realistic proposition.

DRS Zone

The detection point will be just before turn two, leading up through the famous Eau Rouge before the following driver
can activate the system as they exit Raidillon, giving them enhanced top-speed for the entire Kemmel Straight.

Once again, their will be just a single zone, despite speculation the FIA would once again experiment with two zones,
the second being between turn 15 and 17, though Williams race engineer Xevi Pujolar confirmed this wouldn't be the case.

Personally, I would have liked to have seen DRS being operational on this very fast sweeper coming up to the old 'bus stop'.
 





SPA FACTS

* At 4.35 miles, Spa-Francorchamps is the longest circuit on the F1 calendar.

* Even so, the existing Spa circuit is less than half the length of the original public road course, which offered
the drivers a truly daunting challenge due to the sheer speed of the corners.

Despite having only a couple of true straights, the average lap speed was nudging 150mph by the late 1960s!

* Those awesome speeds, coupled with the notoriously fickle Ardennes weather – which frequently saw
cloudbursts on one side of the circuit while the other might be bone dry – led to serious safety concerns and
Spa was scratched from the F1 calendar following the 1970 race.

* During the 1970s and early 1980s the Belgian GP was shared between the bland Nivelles circuit near
Brussels and the slightly more character full but unloved Zolder track in the Flemish-speaking part of the country.

* Zolder will always be remembered as the circuit at which Gilles Villeneuve lost his life. The legendary
French-Canadian was killed in a ferocious accident during qualifying for the 1982 Belgian GP.

* The race returned to its traditional home in 1983 and, to the delight of purists, the new, shorter Spa
track incorporated some of the most exciting parts of the original, including the famous La Source hairpin,
the tingling Eau Rouge and the blast through the woods at Blanchimont. The new section, linking Les
Combes and Stavelot, wound down the valley in a flowing series of curves, the most challenging being the
Pouhon double left-hander.

* The first time Spa hosted a grand prix was the European GP of 1925. The race was won by Antonio Ascari,
father of future double world champion Alberto.

* Belgium has hosted 54 grands prix since 1950 with 40 taking place at Spa. Zolder has held 10
events while the race has twice taken place at Nivelles.

* As well as being the home of the Belgian Grand Prix, Spa has long been famous for its 24-hour endurance
race, first held in 1924.

* Eau Rouge is not regarded as the most fearsome corner in F1 without good reason. Promising German
Stefan Bellof was killed there in the Spa 1000km sportscar race in 1985. In recent years, Alex Zanardi,
Ricardo Zonta and Jacques Villeneuve have had massive accidents at the corner.

* Such is the challenge of Spa that only the truly great drivers can really claim to have mastered it. In fact
just six men have won the race more than twice - Juan Manuel Fangio (three times), Damon Hill (three times),
Kimi Raikkonen (four times), Jim Clark (four times), Ayrton Senna (five times) and Michael Schumacher (six times). 
Kimi Raikkonen has made it his property and won the last three races there, 2004, 2005, 2007 and 2008
(2006 there was no Belgian GP as track updates were taking place.  2003 there was also no race at Spa
due to a complication regarding Belgium Law and Cigarrette advertising, subsequently relaxed.)

* Jim Clark, Ayrton Senna and Kimi Raikkonen are the only men to have won four Belgian Grands Prix on the
trot. Clark won his in 1962-1965 while Senna achieved the feat from 1988-1991.

* The 1985 Belgian Grand Prix had to be postponed from June to September after a new track surface
designed to provide extra grip in the Spa rains broke up in atypical heat.

* In 1989, both Lotus drivers, Nelson Piquet and Satoru Nakajima, failed to qualify for the Belgian Grand Prix.
It was only the second time in his career that triple world champion Piquet failed to make the start of a race.
To rub salt into his wounds, arch-rival Ayrton Senna won the race.

* Michael Schumacher and Mika Hakkinen have both been disqualified from the Belgian Grand Prix. Schuey
was stripped of victory in 1994 because the wooden block on the floor of his Benetton was too worn while
Mika lost third in 1997 for using the wrong fuel.

* Schumacher won the 1995 Belgian Grand Prix from 16th on the grid. Williams appealed to the FIA about
his driving in the race after he banged wheels with Damon Hill at Les Combes.

* A staggering 14 cars were eliminated at the start of the 1998 race in one of the biggest crashes in
modern F1 history. McLaren’s David Coulthard triggered the accident. Damon Hill went on to win the race,
Jordan’s first grand prix victory, Damon's last.



* Despite winning the Belgian GP six times, Michael Schumacher only started the race from pole position once.

* The Belgian GP in 2007 was the 14th race of the year.  The result was 11th time in the 14 races that the driver in the lead
at the end of lap one went on to win the race, and the 10th time the pole sitter was also the winner.

* In terms of team wins, Ferrari is the most successful team at Spa.  Those that have won more than once are as follows.



Constructor, Win
Ferrari,16
McLaren,13
Lotus,8
Williams,4
Alfa Romeo,2
Benetton,2



SPA HISTORY

*  There is a full appreciation of the Spa original long circuit which is here:
http://www.australianmotorsportforums.com.au/forum/index.php?topic=1342.msg24345#msg24345

* A photographic tour of a lap on the old track has been added here:
http://www.australianmotorsportforums.com.au/forum/index.php?topic=1342.msg25033#msg25033


The first national race of Belgium was held in 1925 at the Spa region's race course, an area of the country that had been associated with motor sport since the very early years of racing before the turn of the century. To accommodate Grand Prix motor racing, the Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps race course was built in 1921 but it was only used for motorcycle racing until 1924. After the 1923 success of the new 24 hours of Le Mans in France, the Spa 24 Hours, a similar 24 hour endurance race, was run at the Spa track.


In 1925, the first Belgian Grand Prix was won by Antonio Ascari whose son Alberto would win the race in 1952 and 1953. Unfortunately, after winning the Belgian race, Antonio Ascari would be killed in his next outing at the French Grand Prix. In 1939, the race claimed the life of British driver Richard "Dick" Seaman while leading the race. During the 1960 race Chris Bristow and Alan Stacey lost their lives in separate incidents, the latter in a freak occurrence when hit in the face by a bird.  Until Imola 1994 it remained the only double fatality GP.

This original circuit was unbelievably dangerous for both drivers and spectators.


On the 12th of June 1966, Formula One changed forever, in a way it paralleled what happened after Imola 1994.  BRM teammates Jackie Stewart and Graham Hill, along with American privateer Bob Bondurant, aquaplaned on the first lap at the Masta Kink of Spa. After hitting a telegraph pole and a woodcutter's shed, Stewart ended up trapped by the steering column of his BRM for 25 excruciating minutes. Although seven cars were off the circuit, the red flag was not waved. Stewart had internal injuries, several broken bones and was soaked with fuel. Hill and Bondurant had to borrow tools from a spectator to remove the steering wheel. Hours passed - Stewart's medical treatment was farcical with the ambulance driver getting lost.

Stewart then led a crusade to improve circuit and car safety, which led Formula One out of the insanity of the dead-or-glory era. Gradually Formula One adopted the safety equipment we now take for granted, including safety belts and quick-release steering wheels.



Formula One left Spa in 1970. The modern Spa circuit was reopened in 1979 and, fortunately, it retained the best sector of the original circuit including La Source, Eau Rouge and the Raidillon with a magnificent new section added between Les Combes and Stavelot that bypassed the Masta straight. In stark contrast to 1966, every driver walked away unharmed from the 13-car accident of 1998, at the exit of the La Source hairpin

In 1972 Spa was considered too dangerous for Formula 1 machinery. Following that decision, the Belgians decided to alternate their Grand Prix between Zolder and a characterless circuit at Nivelles-Baulers near Brussels. The first race at Nivelles was won by Emerson Fittipaldi but although the track was safe, it inspired little enthusiasm when compared to the magnificent old Spa circuit. Zolder hosted the race the following year and it was won by Jackie Stewart.

Formula One returned to Nivelles in 1974. Once again the race was won by Emerson Fittipaldi, but after that event the organizers were unable to sustain a Grand Prix at Nivelles and the track faded from the racing scene.

Afterwards, the race returned to Zolder. The Belgian Grand Prix would be held there a further nine times. Niki Lauda scored back-to-back victories at the track in 1975 and 1976, and in 1977

Gunnar Nilsson scored his only F1 victory at Zolder. The following year Mario Andretti won the race for Lotus. In 1979, Jody Scheckter won the race in his Ferrari. In 1980 Didier Pironi became a first time winner at the track in his Ligier. The 1981 meeting that was won by Carlos Reutemann was chaotic with a mechanic being killed in the pitlane, a drivers' strike and then a nasty startline accident.

Zolder will always be remembered, however, as the place where Gilles Villeneuve died in 1982. John Watson won the race for McLaren, but a year later the rebuilt Spa circuit opened for racing and the Belgian Grand Prix returned there. The 1982 Belgian Grand Prix was held at Zolder. In 1983, the race returned to Spa before returning to Zolder in 1984.

This was the last F1 race held at Zolder with Michele Alboreto taking the final victory there. In 1985 the Belgian F1 Grand Prix returned to Spa-Francorchamps where it has remained ever since.

World Champion Michael Schumacher, who made his debut at Spa in 1991 and won his first F1 race there in 1992, won his 52nd Grand Prix at Spa in 2001, surpassing Alain Prost's all-time record of 51 wins. Schumacher also won his seventh World Drivers' Championship title at Spa in 2004. There was no Belgian Grand Prix in 2003 because of the country's tobacco advertising laws but it returned to the schedule again in 2004.


Another notable race was the 1998 Belgian Grand Prix which took place in torrential conditions.
The race was originally stopped after a massive accident involving thirteen of the twenty-two runners at the first corner. The heavy rain caused low visibility, and Michael Schumacher ran into the back of David Coulthard, an event that angered Schumacher so much he stormed into the McLaren garage to confront Coulthard, claiming he had tried to kill him. Coulthard later admitted he had been at fault, due to his own inexperience (despite it being his fourth year of Formula One). Only eight drivers were classified finishers (two of whom were five laps behind, one of whom was Coulthard) and Damon Hill secured a memorable victory ahead of team mate Ralf Schumacher to record the previously underperforming Jordan team's first Formula One win in its history, and a 1-2 to top it off.


In 2005, the minister of Economics, Jean-Claude Marcourt, proposed to change the name of the event to Grand Prix de Wallonie, in deference to the local area.

1965 Belgian Grand Prix. Spa-Francorchamps, Belgium. 11-13 June 1965. Graham Hill leads Jackie Stewart (Both BRM P261's), Richie Ginther (Honda RA272), Jo Siffert (Brabham BT11 BRM), John Surtees (Ferrari 158), Dan Gurney (Brabham BT11 Climax) and the rest of the field through Eau Rouge at the start.



-Will McLaren keep their advantage over the Red Bulls?

-Keep an eye on the weather forecast.  It could hold the key to the race.


Current (pre Spa)WDC points:


Pos    Driver    Nationality    Team    Points
1    Sebastian Vettel    German    RBR-Renault    234
2    Mark Webber    Australian    RBR-Renault    149   :aus:
3    Lewis Hamilton    British    McLaren-Mercedes    146
4    Fernando Alonso    Spanish    Ferrari    145
5    Jenson Button    British    McLaren-Mercedes    134
6    Felipe Massa    Brazilian    Ferrari    70
7    Nico Rosberg    German    Mercedes    48
8    Nick Heidfeld    German    Renault    34
9    Vitaly Petrov    Russian    Renault    32
10    Michael Schumacher    German    Mercedes    32
11    Kamui Kobayashi    Japanese    Sauber-Ferrari    27
12    Adrian Sutil    German    Force India-Mercedes    18
13    Sebastien Buemi    Swiss    STR-Ferrari    12
14    Jaime Alguersuari    Spanish    STR-Ferrari    10
15    Sergio Perez    Mexican    Sauber-Ferrari    8
16    Paul di Resta    British    Force India-Mercedes    8
17    Rubens Barrichello    Brazilian    Williams-Cosworth    4
18    Pedro de la Rosa    Spanish    Sauber-Ferrari    0
19    Jarno Trulli    Italian    Lotus-Renault    0
20    Vitantonio Liuzzi    Italian    HRT-Cosworth    0
21    Pastor Maldonado    Venezuelan    Williams-Cosworth    0
22    Jerome d'Ambrosio    Belgian    Virgin-Cosworth    0
23    Heikki Kovalainen    Finnish    Lotus-Renault    0
24    Timo Glock    German    Virgin-Cosworth    0
25    Narain Karthikeyan    Indian    HRT-Cosworth    0
26    Daniel Ricciardo    Australian    HRT-Cosworth    0   :aus:
27    Karun Chandhok    Indian    Lotus-Renault    0


FIA Formula 1 constructors' world championship

Position,    Team ,   Points

1    RBR-Renault    383
2    McLaren-Mercedes    280
3    Ferrari    215
4    Mercedes    80
5    Renault    66
6    Sauber-Ferrari    35
7    Force India-Mercedes    26
8    STR-Ferrari    22
9    Williams-Cosworth    4
10    Lotus-Renault    0
11    HRT-Cosworth    0
12    Virgin-Cosworth    0

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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Shell Belgian Grand Prix (Spa-Francorchamps)
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2011, 11:28:04 am »
Another gem BP. Thank you!   :ThumbsUp:   :checkerflag:  :ThumbsUp:
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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2011, 04:25:39 pm »
Single DRS-zone for Spa after Eau Rouge

From thef1times.com:

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Single DRS-zone for Spa after Eau Rouge

Sunday 21st August 2011

The drag-reduction zone for the Belgium Grand Prix at Spa-Francorchamps will be located between turns four and five.

Whilst the FIA are yet to confirm the exact zone and distance, Pastor Maldonado's race engineer at Williams, Xevi Pujolar, revealed the locations on Twitter.

The detection point will be just before turn two, leading up through the famous Eau Rouge before the following driver can activate the system as they exit Raidillon, giving them enhanced top-speed for the entire Kemmel Straight.

Once again, their will be just a single zone, despite speculation the FIA would once again experiment with two zones, the second being between turn 15 and 17, though Pujolar confirmed this wouldn't be the case.

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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Shell Belgian Grand Prix (Spa-Francorchamps)
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2011, 05:07:02 pm »
Another gem BP. Thank you!   :ThumbsUp:   :checkerflag:  :ThumbsUp:

+1  ....looking fwd to the W'end,having withdrawal symptoms.From the other thread it looks like Mark does have a drive at Renault if he wants it,i notice on some of the O/S Forums  that if there is no announcement of Mark's future at Spa. then it will be at Monza which sounds ominous.
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Shell Belgian Grand Prix (Spa-Francorchamps)
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2011, 02:37:22 pm »
The FIA has banned the use of the DRS through Eau Rouge for the duration of the weekend, much like they did for its use through the tunnel at Monaco earlier this season.
http://en.espnf1.com/belgium/motorsport/story/56965.html

Which I think is a wise desicion as no doubt the teams with good downforce would have tryed to go through Eau Rouge with the DRS open which if you remember last year, drivers were going through their with one hand on the steering wheel so they could use the F-Duct through the corner.

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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Shell Belgian Grand Prix (Spa-Francorchamps)
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2011, 10:14:31 am »
Whilst I tend to agree DRS shouldn't be operated through Eau Rouge, I do believe the activation line should be brought much closer to the exit of Eau Rouge.

From what I've seen in the maps, they have left the activation line much further past the apex than they need to.

I know in Melbourne the activation line was right on the apex of turn 16, but the only ones who activated anywhere near there was the two Red Bulls.
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Shell Belgian Grand Prix (Spa-Francorchamps)
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2011, 04:45:01 pm »
Massa supports FIA's Eau Rouge DRS ban

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Wednesday 24th August 2011

Ferrari driver Felipe Massa says the DRS ban for the famous Eau Rouge corner is the 'best solution'.

The FIA has opted to ban the use of the drag-reduction system through turns two-to-four citing safety as a concern.

The system decreases downforce and drag to provide a better top-speed, though many drivers expressed worry that it could result in a serious accident, including the Brazilian, if the corner was taken flat-out with the rear-wing in the open position.

"I have been following the discussion regarding the use of DRS at the Eau Rouge corner and I think banning its use there for the whole weekend is the right decision," he wrote in his diary.

"As racing drivers, we would always try and use DRS there and that could lead to an accident, because of the particular nature of the corner. So, just as was the case in the tunnel in Monaco, I think this is the best solution."

Meanwhile, Massa is hoping to repeat his 2008 success which saw victory handed to him after Lewis Hamilton was stripped of his win for cutting the final chicane after an intense battle with Kimi Raikkonen.

"I hope we can have a good weekend," he added. "Like most drivers, I love driving at Spa and I have some good memories of winning there in 2008, finishing second the year before that, while last year I was just off the podium in fourth spot. I will be aiming for a repeat of 2008!"

Don't know if I want to side with Mass Hsyteria on this one. I'll wait and see how the race progresses; I'm sure he will too.. ;)

I'm looking forward to this one. Spa is still one of my favourite tracks because it oozes history, tradition and great racing from over the years. Bring it on.
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Shell Belgian Grand Prix (Spa-Francorchamps)
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2011, 04:48:27 pm »
Mixed weather conditions expected for Spa

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Wednesday 24th August 2011

The Belgian Grand Prix is no stranger to mixed weather conditions and 2011 looks set to follow the trend, with heavy rain and sunny intervals expected over the three days.

Friday and Saturday could possibly be threatened with stoppages if the worst of the weather hits the track during practice or qualifying, though the heaviest rain isn't expected until the afternoon, which should offer the teams and drivers some respite.

Friday is all but guaranteed to suffer from rain, but the unique nature of the Spa-Francorchamps circuit, which stretches for 7km into the Ardenne forest, means it can be raining at one end, whilst the other is bone-dry.

Saturday's conditions look slightly better with lighter rain expected, mainly toward the latter stages of the session.

Sunday will see the best weather, with little to no rain forecast for the entire event. However, that will offer the teams very little in the way of confidence as weather is notably hard to predict in this region.

Yep; that sounds like Spa. ;)
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Shell Belgian Grand Prix (Spa-Francorchamps)
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2011, 07:35:13 pm »
http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/266483/rivage-hairpin-widened-at-spa/
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25 August 2011

Belgian Grand Prix organisers have modified their circuit ahead of this weekend’s race, with the Rivage Hairpin being widened on the grounds of safety.

Not only is the track broadened, but the gravel trap – which leader Lewis Hamilton ran through during last year’s race – has now been replaced by an asphalt run-off area.

The hairpin (Turn 8) is the right-handed corner which comes after the Les Combes chicane and following downhill section.

 :pissed: another tarmac runoff for no reason other then to allow drivers to make mistakes in a part of the track which use to be difficult and now lets them get away unpunished....

Why don't we just get every single track to be 100% tarmac between the barriers, paint some white lines and tell the drivers "try and stick between them please"

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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Shell Belgian Grand Prix (Spa-Francorchamps)
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2011, 11:41:27 am »
:pissed: another tarmac runoff for no reason other then to allow drivers to make mistakes in a part of the track which use to be difficult and now lets them get away unpunished....

Why don't we just get every single track to be 100% tarmac between the barriers, paint some white lines and tell the drivers "try and stick between them please"

That's what they are told in every category, stay between the painted white lines, and they generally do if there are consequences for going beyond them.... sadly though there is just so many tracks that are being built or being 'upgraded' to that these days . :)

That said, turn 3 at Albert Park used a bitumen run off area for one race a few years ago, and it did indeed prevent that corner from bringing out a SC, as cars didn't remain in the 'line of fire' if they went off. But I agree if a driver goes off the track, there should be a greater cost to them.
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Shell Belgian Grand Prix (Spa-Francorchamps)
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2011, 03:23:13 pm »
4 weeks of nothing, I'm really looking forward to Sunday night, GP at 20:00 and then Man U V Arsenal at 21:00, if Carlsberg did sports, actually some of you might not get that last comment. Spa followed by Monza, to of the best circuits on the calendar, expect a big charge from McLaren to keep the Red Bulls honest this weekend.

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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Shell Belgian Grand Prix (Spa-Francorchamps)
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2011, 08:44:23 am »
Free Practice One Results:

Pos   Driver   Team   Time   Gap   Laps
01.    M. Schumacher    Mercedes    1:54.355         13
02.    N. Rosberg    Mercedes    1:54.829    +0.474    15
03.    J. Button    McLaren    2:02.740    +8.385    8
04.    S. Vettel    Red Bull    2:03.752    +9.397    10
05.    L. Hamilton    McLaren    2:04.301    +9.946    7
06.    A. Sutil    Force India    2:04.663    +10.308    18
07.    F. Massa    Ferrari    2:04.728    +10.373    10
08.    R. Barrichello    Williams    2:05.391    +11.036    12
09.    J. Alguersuari    Toro Rosso    2:06.583    +12.228    16
10.    K. Kobayashi    Sauber    2:06.886    +12.531    15
11.    F. Alonso    Ferrari    2:07.055    +12.700    12
12.    S. Perez    Sauber    2:07.481    +13.126    15
13.    J. Trulli    Team Lotus    2:08.233    +13.878    14
14.    S. Buemi    Toro Rosso    2:08.239    +13.884    14
15.    P. Maldonado    Williams    2:08.918    +14.563    10
16.    M. Webber    Red Bull    2:09.792    +15.437    8 :aus:
17.    T. Glock    Virgin    2:12.278    +17.923    13
18.    T. Liuzzi    HRT    2:12.389    +18.034    10
19.    J. D'Ambrosio    Virgin    2:12.772    +18.417    13
20.    P. di Resta    Force India    2:13.058    +18.703    8
21.    K. Chandhok    Team Lotus    2:14.090    +18.735    11
22.    V. Petrov    Renault    2:13.601    +19.246    10
23.    B. Senna    Renault    2:14.340    +19.985    7
24.    D. Ricciardo    HRT    2:14.933    +20.578    11 :aus:



Free Practice Two results:

Pos   Driver   Team   Time   Gap   Laps
01.    M. Webber    Red Bull    1:50.321         22 :aus:
02.    F. Alonso    Ferrari    1:50:461    +0.140    18
03.    J. Button    McLaren    1:50.770    +0.449    9
04.    L. Hamilton    McLaren    1:50.838    +0.517    9
05.    F. Massa    Ferrari    1:51.218    +0.897    14
06.    N. Rosberg    Mercedes    1:51.242    +0.921    22
07.    S. Perez    Sauber    1:51.655    +1.334    20
08.    N. Hulkenberg    Force India    1:51.725    +1.404    17
09.    P. di Resta    Force India    1:51.751    +1.430    8
10.    S. Vettel    Red Bull    1:51.790    +1.469    13
11.    M. Schumacher    Mercedes    1:52.922    +1.601    22
12.    P. Maldonado    Williams    1:52.750    +2.429    20
13.    K. Kobayashi    Sauber    1:53.780    +2.459    25
14.    J. Alguersuari    Toro Rosso    1:53.911    +2.590    24
15.    S. Buemi    Toro Rosso    1:53.009    +2.688    24
16.    R. Barrichello    Williams    1:55.156    +2.835    17
17.    B. Senna    Renault    1:55.835    +3.514    20
18.    J. Trulli    Team Lotus    1:55.051    +4.730    20
19.    T. Glock    Virgin    1:55.494    +5.173    22
20.    H. Kovalainen    Team Lotus    1:56.202    +5.881    15
21.    J. d'Ambrosio    Virgin    1:56.816    +6.495    20
22.    T. Liuzzi    HRT    1:57.450    +7.129    19
23.    D. Ricciardo    HRT    1:57.612    +7.291    24 :aus:
24.    V. Petrov    Renault    2:02.234    +11.913    12

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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Shell Belgian Grand Prix (Spa-Francorchamps)
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2011, 11:34:50 pm »
Well that was an interesting Qualifying session, wasn't it ? :)

The usual bunch in the top ten, but both Renault's with Senna in 7th.

But I don't think there is a very happy Jenson in the McLaren garage after being told to come in to pit lane early, puts him down at 13th !

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Maldonado has certainly shown he needs to learn a lot more about F1 with his antics with Hamilton.

Interesting 20th anniversary for Schumacher... out on his first lap in his first F1 race, and now out on the first lap of Q1. I'll be interested to find out why the wheel came off his car though.
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Shell Belgian Grand Prix (Spa-Francorchamps)
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2011, 12:58:38 am »
A very enjoyable qualifying session. It such a great circuit.
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Shell Belgian Grand Prix (Spa-Francorchamps)
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2011, 09:34:11 am »
FIA penalises Maldonado for Q2 incident

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Saturday 27th August 2011   

The FIA has handed Pastor Maldonado a five-place grid drop for his actions during qualifying two in which he cut across the track and made contact with Lewis Hamilton, damaging the latters front-wing and right sidepod.

The governing body apportioned the majority of blame on the Williams driver, but found Hamilton to have also contributed to the accident and decided a reprimand was all that was needed for the McLaren driver.

Maldonado, who had qualified 16th, will now start the race from 21st position, which promotes Heikki Kovalainen, Paul di Resta, Jarno Trulli, Timo Glock and Jerome d'Ambrosio up by a single place each.

The Venezuelan denies he was trying to force Hamilton off-track, punishing him for an earlier incident which saw the Brit overtake him at the final chicane, impeding his flying lap.

"No, no, I don't," he said in response as to whether his move was intentional. "It was a difficult moment, there was no reason from my side, to have contact [with] Lewis."
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Shell Belgian Grand Prix (Spa-Francorchamps)
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2011, 03:48:43 pm »
I really don't think a 5 place grid drop is a suitable punishment for Maldonado, what he did was dangerous, I would like to know what his penalty would be had he made Hamilton's car undrivable, which would have been easy to do had he driven acrooss earlier or later. and the reprimand on Hamilton is a joke, sure what he did at the last corner was a bit...wrong?....but if that happened in the race the stewards wouldn't even blink an eye at it.

On a positive note, it was good to see Senna get into the top 10, lets hope he does well in the race.

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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Shell Belgian Grand Prix (Spa-Francorchamps)
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2011, 08:16:57 pm »
"No, no, I don't," he said in response as to whether his move was intentional. "It was a difficult moment, there was no reason from my side, to have contact [with] Lewis."

Oh great it was hopeless incompetence rather than intention that caused the contact!
Lewis is no angel and gets a rails run from the commentary team and was maybe a little forceful in pushing in almost as if he was too good to allow Maldonado to choose his line  (afterall I am Lewis!) but to start argie-bargy up the hill was downright dangerous.....I would have him given him the sunday off and another weekend because he said it was unintentional

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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Shell Belgian Grand Prix (Spa-Francorchamps)
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2011, 09:31:55 pm »
Just wondering if the thinking of the stewards might have involved the thought that penalising Hamilton with a grid spot loss might be a loss to the racing, and if they made too heavy a penalty on Maldonado for his stupidity, would have made for a very unbalanced/unfair penalties with LH going unpenalised ??

Having Vettel having such a huge championship lead with no one within cooee of him pointwise, with LH being the closest to him.


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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Shell Belgian Grand Prix (Spa-Francorchamps)
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2011, 11:46:23 pm »
Well after my last post, Hamilton went out part way through the race in spectacular style, putting Vettel way out in front, and getting Webber further ahead in the points too.

Not sure why Ricciardo went out though, but hopefully a car rather than driver issue, which should keep his seat fairly safe for the rest of the year.

DRS made it easy for some to get past, but it was probably the wrong spot after Eau Rouge, perhaps next year around Blanchmont might be a better spot ?

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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Shell Belgian Grand Prix (Spa-Francorchamps)
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2011, 05:24:08 am »
I actually thought Hamilton may have won that one before he got nerfed.
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