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« on: February 06, 2009, 07:35:57 am »
F1 is big big business and it's been discussed on this forum many times that he who pays the most wins the prize. As much as I disagree with this stance, from a business point of view it makes perfect sence. Bernie isn't here to keep us the fans happy, first and foremost he must keep his bosses happy.

Maybe there should be a rulling that the F1 callender should have a certain amount of "Historic" circuits on it per year, the rest of the world could then fight it out over the remaining spots. I for one wouldn't be to sad to see Monaco go, as it's one of the most boring for me, but that's not about to happen is it.

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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2009, 09:56:47 am »

Maybe there should be a rulling that the F1 calendar should have a certain amount of "Historic" circuits on it per year, the rest of the world could then fight it out over the remaining spots. I for one wouldn't be to sad to see Monaco go, as it's one of the most boring for me, but that's not about to happen is it.

For as much as Monaco is a mickey mouse track, it really is the most authentic historic track that they run on, and would be a loss to F1 if they never ran on it again.

You might say we've still got Spa and Monza, but neither are the same historic tracks of old due to the many changes, in particular the cutting out of large parts of them. These days you couldn't really bring them back to what they were in years gone by, due to the amount of expense to bring those cut off sections back to a 'safe' standard.
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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2009, 01:42:39 pm »

Ecclestone unsure about Russian GP
New venue no closer to hosting a Grand Prix
   

Despite its long flirt with Formula One, Russia is still no closer to definitely staging a Grand Prix.

Work on the Moscow Raceway in Volokolamsk, 80 kilometres west of the capital, began late last year.

The project is headed by Hans Geist, formerly of the Grand Prix venues in Austria and Bahrain, while Hermann Tilke is in charge of design.


But when asked if Russia will definitely be added to the annual calendar, F1 Chief Executive Bernie Ecclestone told the German news agency DPA: "We don't know..."

Really that isnt good enough Bernie...... you have peoplebuilding Tilke designed circuits with F1 facilities all round the world and they all believe they are getting a GP because you tell them they will have.  Then you want their 30 mill up front for a few years to guarantee it.  Russian Mafia will love being trated like that.....
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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2009, 03:15:08 am »
Good News, Bad News.

Firstly the Good News......  Max seems to think he can step in and help save the British GP
on the grounds that if one of the original GP's (Britain France Germany Italy Monaco or Belgium) require assistance in keeping their GP they can go to the FIA for assistance, a move he said he would do for the British GP should say Donnington fail to meet their committments and lose the opportunity to stage the race.  In those circumstances Bernie has said it wil go overseas to the highest bidder.

However it is not a rule that gives the FIA the ultimate say, as in the hypothetical situation of Donnington to being ready, Silverstone could step in, but would need to match the financial terms agreed for Donnington, if not the financial going rate of other GP's.

It was not a case which could have been used in the case of the French GP, as it was the French Organisers that went to Bernie with a 'cant provide a venue excuse'.... ie it wasnt a Bernie Mandate that lost the French GP>

Max explained "The thing is that our deal with Bernie says he cannot cancel one of those races without our agreement, which must not be unreasonably withheld. Clearly if someone said to Bernie 'I am a traditional race I am going to give you 100 dollars' and we will say, 'you can't do that'.

"But equally if they were paying the going rate and he wanted to chop them to go somewhere for 100 million dollars we would say you cannot do that... It depends what the going rate was and we would ask Bernie for his comments."

Good to see a bit of a rift between Bernie and Max.  That gives some hope for the future, as with FOTA and the GPDA now voicing up on issues against either of both Bernie and Max they stand more chance .  A united Bernie and Max is an awfully strong combination of political and decision making clout.

And now the Bad News.

Turkish GP's long-term future in doubt


The start of the 2008 Turkish Grand PrixTurkish Grand Prix organisers fear they could lose their Formula One race after 2011, amid reports that Bernie Ecclestone does not plan to renew his current deal with the Istanbul Park circuit.  Interesting, given that Bernie owns Istanbul Park, the venue the GP is held at.

From Autosport.
:ebopen: The Today's Zaman newspaper reports that Ecclestone, who took charge of the track several years ago, has given the circuit's original builder and financier the Istabul Chamber of Commerce notice that he plans to take the race off the F1 calendar after three more years.

Istanbul Park's general director Can Guclu confirmed that the race's long-term future was in doubt as other countries clamoured for dates on the F1 schedule.

"We are afraid that 2011 may be the last year of the staging of F1 in Istanbul," Guclu told Zaman.

"There is serious competition from such countries as South Africa, Russia, Bulgaria and South Korea. South Korea has a highly developed economy and they place importance on sporting events. The [football] world cup was held in there in 2002. And Russia has already started constructing a race course."

Guclu said he was concerned that negotiations had not yet begun to extend Istanbul Park's F1 deal, especially as it had originally taken four years from securing agreement with Ecclestone in 2001 to hosting the inaugural Turkish GP in 2005.

"If we want the Turkish Grand Prix to stay on the calendar, we need to start working immediately," he said.

"Or else, we cannot just begin negotiating for the race in the last year of the contract.

"We made a deal with Ecclestone in 2003 and the first race was organised in 2005. As you see, there is a four-year process in order to be included in the calendar.

"There is still nothing about extending the deal and no demand from either side." :ebclose:

It would be a shame to see Turkey go.... IMO it is the best of the Tilke tracks.  The most boring race is always Hungaroring, and I would gladly see that go, or even one of the Middle East events on the basis of we dont need two GPs in an area of zero fans.
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2009, 08:09:42 am »
Sounds a bit like closing the stable door after the horse has bolted, where was the FIA a few years ago when the Belgium GP was cancelled. IMO the French GP is no real loss as from a spectator POV it was a boring race anyway.

As for Hungary didn't Bernie sign them up for another 10 years not so long ago.

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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2009, 08:16:09 am »
When a motorsport magazine reports that Ecclestone is saying that there is stiff competition from other countries what he and they mean is that these countries are offering Ecclestone more money.

That's the thing with journalism; you have to read between the lines to get the truth, especially these days.
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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2009, 05:16:07 am »
Donington boss denies debt reports

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Monday, February 9th 2009, 16:57 GMT

Donington Park boss Simon Gillett says work on the circuit's revamp is continuing as planned, dismissing reports that his company had debts of up to £66 million.

A report on the Daily Mail newspaper over the weekend said Donington Ventures Leisure Ltd had filed its annual report at Companies House showing a loss of £12.4million last year and a total debt of £66.7 million.

Gillett, however, said on Monday that his company had not filed any reports yet, denying the story and insisting the details of the financial package to pay for the revamp will be revealed next month.

"It's business as usual at Donington Park and absolutely nothing has changed," Gillett told the Press Association.

"Work is continuing on site and all of our staff are completely focused on delivering a full and exciting calendar of events this year ahead of our hosting of the British Grand Prix in July next year.

"Our 2008 financial report has not been filed with Companies House, which leaves me confused as to where certain publications have sourced their 'facts' and figures from.

"We have always maintained we will reveal details of our financial package for the grand prix in quarter one of this year.

"True to Donington Park's belief in delivering on promises, we will make this information available at the end of March."

Despite the doubts about his project, Gillett insisted Donington will succeed when work is completed and the track hosts the British Grand Prix next year.

"The planned developments have the potential to put Leicestershire and the rest of the country on the world map for our motorsport facilities, and that's something I remain passionate about," said Gillett.

"It would be easy to roll over and give in when faced with a constant barrage of scepticism and criticism, but that's not my style.

"If it was, I would never have embarked on this project in the first place. Our plans are not dreams, but vision."
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2009, 04:22:17 am »

More bad news about Donington Park

Well he might be denying his debts, but it seems he isnt paying his bills either, and with his plan to raise finance against a colateral of his proposed VIP and Corporate Sales for the GP (which to me is a very dodgy bet if Bernie pulls the pin because it wont be ready or it isnt all paid up on the due date, the lender would be stuffed because with no GP there is no income from VIP and Corporate funding.)


Wheatcroft reportedly taking legal action


Bad news continues to flow out of Donington Park, providing ammunition to the cynics who doubt the circuit can host the British Grand Prix from 2010.

At the weekend it was reported that former chief Lee Gill is suing the circuit's operating company, which is crippled amid millions in debt according to the publicly available 2007 accounts.

The Daily Telegraph added to the grim mood on Wednesday, claiming that owner Tom Wheatcroft - who has leased the circuit long-term to current operator Donington Ventures Leisure - is also suing Chief Executive Simon Gillett.

The newspaper said the legal action relates to 'alleged unpaid rent'.

Wheatcroft declined to comment, but the newspaper said that if the 85-year-old has 'lost faith in Gillett, this could be a big blow to Donington's attempt to stage the British GP'.

It is also claimed that alleged unpaid fees have led to security firm McKenzie Arnold pulling workers from the site.

Maybe a reprieve for Silverstone given Max's last offer of help.
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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2009, 03:46:13 pm »
Click on the link and hit the play button for a virtual lap of the new donnington circuit.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7886690.stm?lss

In all honesty it doesn't look to bad, there is a few overtaking opportunities, but I reckon that it's a FI car on this lap as it overtakes only one car then loses his position to the back of the grid again.

Anyway enjoy

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« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2009, 04:34:29 pm »
Maybe it was a USF1 car.  I cant see F1 cars going through the Craner Curves side by side in any shape or form....
Prefer Silverstone, and I still have doubts Donnington will go ahead in 2010 but things are happening to move it along, so the Donnington Dream continues

Noticed another clip on the Beeb website which shows the extent to which the track has already been dismantled and dug up, principally for the tunnel they are building.  Given the weather in the UK being so construction unfriendly this year, and the fact that the track has to be useable in a very short time for the existing programme of races planned (They have an International motorbike meeting in March) for the early part of 2009 for the GP project to have any financial chance of funding needs being met, at best they are going to be pushing  :siht: uphill to stay on schedule....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/7820588.stm
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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2009, 12:18:17 am »
Steepest hill in F1 eh? Necessity or promotability? You decide! lol

Seriously though, Eau Rouge must be pretty comparably steep, although 12 degress is pretty steep by F1 standards.

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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2009, 03:18:19 am »

Yay.... Suzuka is getting ready to re-open in April.

Work on Japan's Suzuka circuit is due to be completed by the second week of April, according to track owners Honda. Following a two-year sabbatical, the Mie-ken venue is due to welcome  Formula One again this year and will alternate with Fuji in the hosting of the Japanese GP on alternate years

The latest modifications, including the extension of run-off areas to improve safety, follow other changes to the track made in recent years, notably the modifications to the daunting 130R corner in 2003.

To most Suzuka is the Japanese GP, with the race having been held there from 1987 for 20 consecutive years prior to the Toyota owned Fuji winning the rights after the 2006 GP. Suzuka had seen a number of titles decided there including the double success of Mika Hakkinen, Michael's Schumacher first crown with Ferrari and the famous crashes of Senna, Prost and Mansell. In 1996, broadcaster Murray Walker suffered from the famous "lump in my throat" moment as Damon Hill became the last British champion until Lewis Hamilton last year.

 In 2007 where we had one of the wettest races for a while (with the European that year) being the first of two years at Fuji,

After a renegotiation the Suzuka track was reinstated and as mentioned will alternate every year from now with Fuji.... odd years Suzuka, even years  Fuji.
   
On Sunday 12 April, the track will be officially re-opened with an F1 Kick-off Party.
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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2009, 03:55:59 pm »

Yay.... Suzuka is getting ready to re-open in April.

Work on Japan's Suzuka circuit is due to be completed by the second week of April, according to track owners Honda. Following a two-year sabbatical, the Mie-ken venue is due to welcome  Formula One again this year and will alternate with Fuji in the hosting of the Japanese GP on alternate years

The latest modifications, including the extension of run-off areas to improve safety, follow other changes to the track made in recent years, notably the modifications to the daunting 130R corner in 2003.

To most Suzuka is the Japanese GP, with the race having been held there from 1987 for 20 consecutive years prior to the Toyota owned Fuji winning the rights after the 2006 GP. Suzuka had seen a number of titles decided there including the double success of Mika Hakkinen, Michael's Schumacher first crown with Ferrari and the famous crashes of Senna, Prost and Mansell. In 1996, broadcaster Murray Walker suffered from the famous "lump in my throat" moment as Damon Hill became the last British champion until Lewis Hamilton last year.

 In 2007 where we had one of the wettest races for a while (with the European that year) being the first of two years at Fuji,

After a renegotiation the Suzuka track was reinstated and as mentioned will alternate every year from now with Fuji.... odd years Suzuka, even years  Fuji.
   
On Sunday 12 April, the track will be officially re-opened with an F1 Kick-off Party.

I'm looking forward to seeing Suzuka back this year, the last two Japanese GP's have been boring as hell at that Fuji circuit, one wasn't worth watching due to the rain, but it did have it's excitment when a certain certain German punted a certain Austrailan off the road and a podium finish to boot.

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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2009, 06:20:16 am »
http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=770673

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French authorities on Thursday announced they had selected in principle which circuit would host future French Grands Prix, a year after Magny Cours was dropped from the race calendar.

Pierre Bedier, chairman of the departmental council of the Yvelines region west of Paris, unveiled the project of Parisian architect Jean-Michel Wilmotte, whose 4.5km-long, 95-hectare site at Flins-Les Mureaux some 40 km north west of the capital will have seating capacity for a 120,000 crowd.

An onsite conference centre for year-round use will also add to the attraction at the 112 million euros ($A220.93 million) development.

The decision for the new venue will ultimately fall to Formula One organiser Bernie Ecclestone, who had in 2007 indicated that the sport would not return to Magny-Cours, an out of the way site in central France, while urging the creation of an alternative location.

The 2008 race did go ahead, won by Felipe Massa, but the old venue has dropped off this season's calendar after the French Motorsports Federation (FFSA) withdrew financing given the current economic downturn.

There has been talk of using Disneyland Paris for a future race but Ecclestone has also intimated he would like a race in Paris itself.

Those behind the new circuit say it will be technically challenging and conceived as to allow easy overtaking.

Wilmotte has been hard at work on the concept in tandem with Clive Bowen of British circuit designer Apex.

"All of the 18 jury members voted for this project," said Bedier.

"This dossier has the virtue of improving a site which is currently lying fallow and not being properly utilised."

Bedier saluted what he termed "an idea which constitutes durable development".

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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2009, 06:59:55 am »
Teams urged to act to get US GP back 

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Thursday, March 12th 2009, 11:04 GMT

Formula 1 teams must take the initiative and become key players in promoting a race in North America if the sport is to return there in the near future, claims McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh.

The demise of the Canadian Grand Prix this year means that 2009 marks the first time in world championship history that there will be no F1 race in North America.

With the continent so important for all of F1's manufacturers and sponsors, however, teams are keen to ensure that the sport does get back there as soon as possible.

And Whitmarsh believes that rather than teams relying on commercial chief Bernie Ecclestone to sort out a deal, he thinks they should take it upon themselves to help find a solution.

"There's a clear view among FOTA (Formula One Teams' Association) members in the discussions, that we need a Grand Prix in America and we've got to work on how to achieve that," Whitmarsh told autosport.com.

"The view within FOTA is that we've got to look more strategically to how we develop the calendar. We've concentrated on making sure we have a viable sport, making sure we control costs and improving the show, and there are a range of issues we have got to turn our minds to.

"The calendar for this year was fixed by the time we (FOTA) got going, but we want to look at where are our major investors and America is a massive challenge.

"We can't turn our back on it, but maybe we have to have a completely different approach.

"We have got to have a new approach. Rather than who's going to give us the most money to rock up and race, it is to go there strategically, perhaps with FOTA offering to support the race, participate, send our drivers on a promotional tour one year before, six months before, to appear on shows and make investment.

"Rather than leave it in the hands of a promoter, how do we develop the interest? How do we develop the excitement and take up of F1 in North America? Be it Ferrari, be it Daimler, or be it BMW. You look at all of the principle investors in F1; the vast majority of them would consider the US to be a significant market."

Interest in F1 in the United States has increased in the past few months following an announcement that a new American team is looking to join the grid in 2010.
A few bits of emphasis on the FOTA angle......... ;)

And, yes, I would like to see a race (at least one) in North America. F1 is supposed to be the international sport; right?
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« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2009, 05:07:51 am »
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/3/9034.html

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Three of the corners on the Marina Bay Street Circuit, host of the Singapore Grand Prix, are to sport new names following a competition created by race organisers in conjunction with the Singapore newspaper, Today.

Turn 1 will become known as ‘Sheares’, relating to the Benjamin Sheares Bridge which towers over the track at that point. The bridge - and now the corner - takes its name from Singapore's second President, who led the development of the island state from 1971 until his death in 1981.

Turn 7, the scene of some of the most spectacular overtaking moves during the inaugural 2008 night race, will now be called ‘Memorial’, due to its proximity to the imposing monument honouring civilian World War II victims.

Finally, the triple-apex Turn 10, which last year claimed Kimi Raikkonen and Giancarlo Fisichella among its victims, will now be named after Singapore’s most famous cocktail, the ‘Singapore Sling’. The drink is said to have been invented by Ngiam Tong Boon at the Long Bar in the nearby Raffles Hotel. The cocktail or sling is made up from a mix of gin, cherry brandy and Benedictine.

“Just like any icon, the corner has to be treated with respect” said Colin Syn, deputy chairman of the Singapore Grand Prix and one of the competition judges. “Drivers have to be careful here, but it can serve as a slingshot if they tackle it well.

“I guess after the exploits of some drivers last year, there could be jokes about a Wallbanger, but we chose to name the turn after the Singapore Sling because it is known internationally and fans everywhere can relate to it instantly.”

The 'It's Your Turn' competition received close to 1,800 entries from as far afield as Spain, the United Kingdom, Brazil and Canada. The panel of judges took into account names that were punchy, have a strong local connection and are easy to pronounce.
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« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2009, 06:15:19 am »
Always said Singapore was the only Asian city with a sense of humour :ThumbsUp:
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« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2009, 09:39:00 am »
Always said Singapore was the only Asian city with a sense of humour :ThumbsUp:

A good way of doing it....no ones feathers got raffled ;)


Other than Kimi, who might have had some thoughts on his own concoction, the Ferrari Sling.....

.....given Giancarlos's contribution at that same corner perhaps the Fizzy Ferrari Sling might have been appropriate. :unsure: ;)
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« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2009, 12:30:10 pm »
Seems like the credit crunch has hit Abu Dhabi, not sure how reliable a source this website is, but if true we could be looking at Canada rejoining the circus as a replacement. I wonder what the weather is like in Canada at that time of year.

Maybe the sand is starting to sink on Bernies Middle Eastern dream. Bring back Canada any day I say.

http://www.f1way.com/news/2009/March/29/report---abu-dhabi-in-trouble-canada-to-sub

Report - Abu Dhabi in trouble, Canada to sub
 
Abu Dhabi circuit Mar.29 (GMM) Canada could be set for a shock return to the formula one calendar, a local television channel reported on Sunday.

Citing rumours from the Melbourne paddock this weekend, the French language Reseau des Sports cable channel said organisers of the inaugural Abu Dhabi grand prix - scheduled as the 2009 season finale - have fallen behind in construction of its circuit.

Abu Dhabi's problems are reportedly due to the global financial crisis, with Montreal considered as a substitute despite falling off the 2009 calendar after a commercial disagreement with Bernie Ecclestone.

However, Canada would apparently not simply replace Abu Dhabi's November event, but instead host a race before the Brazilian grand prix in October, which would become the new last round of the championship.

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« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2009, 12:38:36 pm »
If Canada does fill the void it should only do so on a gaurenteed 5 year deal. Not just a one off to cover Bernies ass for 2009.


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