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Re: F1 technical update
« Reply #60 on: October 10, 2008, 07:36:08 am »
By the way EB it is worth noting that the early high wings were mounted directly on the rear wheel upright (and occaisionaly the front) and only braced off the chasis. They were so designed to direct the downforce generated as directly as possible to the tyre contact patch. So in fact they were movable aerodynamic devices and because of the huge risk of failiure that sort of stryctur involved, that is why the regulations were framed to ban "movable aerodynamic devices".
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Re: F1 technical update
« Reply #61 on: October 10, 2008, 10:01:04 pm »
By the way EB it is worth noting that the early high wings were mounted directly on the rear wheel upright (and occaisionaly the front) and only braced off the chasis. They were so designed to direct the downforce generated as directly as possible to the tyre contact patch. So in fact they were movable aerodynamic devices and because of the huge risk of failiure that sort of stryctur involved, that is why the regulations were framed to ban "movable aerodynamic devices".

Well that in itself was a Jim Hall of Chaparral fame who initially mounted wings to the hubs on his Can Am cars, as opposed to the sprung area of the car.  In the early days of the Chaparral the rear wing of course was operated by a foot pedal.... it was auto so in place of a clutch pedal. and he would arrive at a corner with the rear wing at a 45 degree angle to assist in air braking, then flatten it back out when on the straight to reduce the drag.

Of course the last development of the Chaparral was the twin motor fan car, which unlike th Brabham fan car, which was driven off the gearbox, his sucker effect was provided by a snowmobile 2 stroke motor which ran permanently, and was in fact started before the main motor.  As the car circulated you could hear the wail of the two stroke above the main V8 power.  Quite effective though. 

Getting back to F1 though, I remember Jackie Oliver having an almighty biggie in his Lotus, during the 1968 French GP, as the rear suspension inexplicably breaks off, and he is sent into an uncontrollable spin. Colin Chapman rushes to the spot, but they can't figure out why the Lotus collapsed like that.  It was later found that the bellhousing had cracked and failed due to the downforce of the rear wing.   Bruce McLaren, who had a similar setup, was warned by Colin, as he is about to start his qualifying run, and the Lotus team promptly withdraws their second entry, that year's champion, Graham Hill.  McLaren thought he was taking the piss I think.

I cant remember who it was but another driver following behind Oliver said that when the rear wing collapsed the rear of the car catapaulted up in the air.  These pics will give you a clue as to the enormity of the accident.

The car of Olivers came to rest at the gateway to a long driveway up to a large house, and Oliver thought it was the 'Pearly Gates.

Sadly, that race he race was to be overshadowed by Jo Schlesser's firey death, but it could easily have been doubly tragic, if Oliver hadn't been so lucky.  It just confirms really how fine the line was between this accident and poor Jo's horrific and fiery accident that had him trapped in the wreckage.  Basically the difference was fire....Oliver being on low fuel in practice and Jo with a lots more fuel.

The dry break joiners they use now are so much more high tech than anything that was around then, and for that I think we can put it down as one of the major safety improvements during the era, given that they were only just getting used to having belts there..... many of the drivers wouldnt wear them because of the potential to be unconciouss in a burning car upside down.  For them there preferred the concept of being thrown from the burning car.

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Re: F1 technical update
« Reply #62 on: November 13, 2008, 04:51:45 am »
Williams reveal 2009 wing package 

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Wednesday, November 12th 2008, 17:24 GMT

Williams have become the first team to reveal what the 2009-specification front wings will look like after Jonathan Kennard shook down an FW30 chassis fitted with the new-style front and rear wings at the Kemble airfield today.

The team had previously trialled a 2009-style rear wing at Barcelona in September, but today's run was the first time that the revised front wing had been displayed. Most teams are expected to try parts modified for the 2009 regulations in next week's Barcelona sessions.

Under next year's radically different aerodynamic rules, the wings have been simplified with most of the current additional protrusions removed. The front wing is lower and wider, and drivers will be able to make a limited number of wing angle adjustments from the cockpit. The rear wing has been made narrower and taller.

The aim is to improve the quality of the racing by allowing drivers to follow each other more closely in fast corners.

The definitive versions of the 2009 cars will also have different diffusers, slick tyres and kinetic energy recovery systems, and will no longer feature extra aerodynamic devices on the central bodywork.

Kennard's straightline test today was the former Formula 3 front-runner's first run in a Formula One car, and he expressed his gratitude to the team afterwards.

"It has been a good day today and great to be able to drive the new-spec Formula One car for the first time," he said.

"I would like to extend my thanks to Sir Frank (Williams) and the team for the opportunity. I enjoyed working through the test programme and assisting the team with their preparations for the 2009 season."

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Re: F1 technical update
« Reply #63 on: November 13, 2008, 07:43:44 am »
It looks like we will be seeing many end of lap 1 pitstops for new ones.  They look as oversized as the rear wings look undersized. :( :mad:

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Re: F1 technical update
« Reply #64 on: April 14, 2009, 08:58:11 pm »
I'll try this and see if it is still working

The controversy surrounding the Brawn, Toyota and Williams diffusers (which will be considered by the FIA's International Court of Appeal on April 14) goes beyond their external shape and dimensions. More important is the fact that all three designs use a 'window' or hole (red arrow) to feed the diffuser. That hole is horizontal in the case of the Williams, vertical for the other two teams, and is located where the floor's step plane meets the reference plane (black arrow). Rivals' cars, such as Ferrari's on the right, feature no such hole at this point. This difference stems from the question of whether the diffuser's three channels can be considered as separate entities, or whether they must be considered as one (enclosed) whole. Given the wording of the regulations, one can argue a case either way, though the majority of teams apparently took the spirit of the rules to mean that all three channels must have the same height and length, with no holes to feed them.
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Re: F1 technical update
« Reply #65 on: April 16, 2009, 12:53:38 am »

There are other Diffuser pics and explanations in the aero thread for those interested.  This post starts them, but there are others after.  http://www.australianmotorsportforums.com.au/forum/index.php?topic=2455.msg42810#msg42810

There is also a great explanation in laymans terms with a short video explanation that is posted at the end of that thread.

(Not trying to derail this fine thread but just thought it appropriate to mention it. :P ;) )  F1E will understand  :crossed: .
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Re: F1 technical update
« Reply #66 on: April 16, 2009, 07:21:46 am »

There are other Diffuser pics and explanations in the aero thread for those interested.  This post starts them, but there are others after.  http://www.australianmotorsportforums.com.au/forum/index.php?topic=2455.msg42810#msg42810

There is also a great explanation in laymans terms with a short video explanation that is posted at the end of that thread.

(Not trying to derail this fine thread but just thought it appropriate to mention it. :P ;) )  F1E will understand  :crossed: .

Thanks EB, just thought i'd add one for the archives ;)
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Re: F1 technical update
« Reply #67 on: July 22, 2009, 07:53:19 am »
Cosworth promises competitive engine 

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Tuesday, July 21st 2009, 08:18 GMT

Formula 1's new teams have been assured by Cosworth that they will have a very competitive engine next year, despite the power units being reconfigured to run at 18,000rpm.

Cosworth had initially been granted permission by the FIA to run at 20,000rpm in 2010, in a move to even up the competitiveness of the customer units against the more-developed current manufacturers.

However, amid the backdrop of the regulations being tweaked to avert the threat of a breakaway, many of the concessions handed to the small teams as part of the original budget cap have been dropped.

And with Cosworth keen to avoid a confrontation with current manufacturers ahead of its re-entry into F1, it offered to accept a lower 18,000rpm limit rather than what was first proposed.

Although that prompted speculation that it would cost new teams Manor Grand Prix, Campos Meta1 and Team US F1 in terms of performance, the company is adamant that there could in fact be benefits from the move.

Tim Routsis, Cosworth's CEO, told AUTOSPORT: "We suggested the 18,000rpm limit to remove potential tension, and a point of possible conflict in agreeing terms.

"We were confident that the engine in the return form would be utterly competitive providing we started early enough.

"I think the teams will not be any less competitive as a result of having a re-tuned engine. If anything, I think there are benefits to be had from reduced rejection of heat to oil, so radiators can get smaller, the drag goes down.

"Also, as an engine spins faster it consumed more fuel to overcome frictions, so by lowering the revs were are also going to improve the fuel efficiency."

Cosworth has conducted a detailed simulation of the engine performance of the new CA2010 power unit, based on 18,000 rpm figures, and the results suggest that it will be as competitive as most of the current manufacturers units in F1.

And Cosworth has also been assured that it will not be further compromised by limiting itself to just five engines per car per season, as had been pushed for by some FOTA teams.

The decision comes after Cosworth informed the manufacturers and the FIA that it would not be able to re-tune its engine as well as dramatically extend its engine life in the time left available before the start of next season.

"Our position is that we are completely happy with this concept of reducing the revs to 18,000rpm but we only have a finite amount of time before we have to deliver engines," explained Routsis.

"There is not enough time for us to do a re-tune and extend the life of the engines. So we need to stay with the agreed number of eight engines."

Cosworth has already begun recruiting extra track support and engine build staff for its F1 programme, having kept on much of the engineering brains that helped make its 2006 engine such a success.
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Re: F1 technical update
« Reply #68 on: September 11, 2009, 09:58:46 pm »
Just found this on Official F1, an interesting read for any tech minded person.

Life on the Wire - the Formula One Race Engineer Unravelled

Their voices stop television commentators in their tracks as they take over the air waves and issue instructions to a driver, but a race engineer’s job entails much more than being a pit-to-car messenger. From strategist to diplomat, from decision maker to motivational guru, it’s a complex and demanding role.

One of the most experienced in the business is Brawn GP’s Jock Clear, race engineer to Rubens Barrichello. From guiding Jacques Villeneuve to the world title in 1997, to his recent triumph as the man behind Barrichello’s Valencia victory, Clear remains at the very top of his game. In the first of a three-part feature, Formula1.com caught up with him to find out more about one of the most important positions in the paddock.

For casual Formula One fans, the race engineer’s most obvious presence during a Grand Prix weekend is his conversations with his driver over the radio. Whether it’s a blurted-out order to ‘pit’ as rain begins to fall, a warning to take it easy for the sake of the tyres, advice to pick up the pace ahead of an in-lap, or just relaying how the race is panning out, it’s a pivotal part of their job.

As the team’s go-between linking cockpit and pit wall, a race engineer provides the driver with all the information (strategy, lap times, tyres temperatures etc) that he needs to get the job done. He will also pass on any data that could help the driver improve his pace, let him know if he needs to adjust engine settings to conserve fuel, or tell him what his rivals are up to. It goes both ways, so as well as relaying information, the engineer must listen to the driver’s responses and interpret these messages quickly, before passing them on accurately to the rest of the team’s support engineers. With these facts at their fingertips, the whole team can then work on measures to improve the car’s set-up, handling, and performance to better suit the driver’s demands.

“The dialogue between the two that you see on the television is the thing that people most relate to,” explains Clear, when asked to describe his job to the layman. “You’re the direct conduit between the driver and the 400 people in the team. Interpreting the feedback is important too. Obviously the driver isn’t an engineer, so you need to then translate (what he says) into ‘engineer speak’. You really are the eyes and ears of the rest of the factory, as far as the driver is concerned and vice versa.”

As well as being chief envoy between driver and team, Clear will also help make the key decisions that will shape his driver’s strategy over a Grand Prix weekend. Of course, the days of tactics being the domain of two or three team members are long gone; there’s now a whole gaggle of engineers working to find the best practice, qualifying and race plan. However, Clear (and his fellow race engineers up and down the pit lane) remains an intrinsic part of this process, assisting the team in deciding on fuel loads, tyre choice and the timing of qualifying runs.

“Strategy is a group thing now,” confirms Clear. “I would say that James Vowles, Brawn GP’s strategy engineer, is pretty much in charge of what goes on a race day. But again, on the basis of all that’s gone before, myself, Rubens, Jenson (Button), and (Button’s race engineer) Andrew Shovlin are all involved throughout the weekend.

“So come race time, James is effectively choreographing the show, having been through rehearsals with all the rest of us. It’s testament to how well you work as an engineering group and how well you’ve done your homework. We shouldn’t have debates on the pit wall. If it’s a set of circumstances that you didn’t foresee then you just didn’t do your homework.”

But Formula One racing is anything but predictable, and however painstakingly organised the team is, there will always be moments of uncertainty, where things just don’t go to plan and disorder reigns. Be it a safety car, a sudden shower, or a puncture, anything can happen and not every eventuality can be planned for. And it’s at this point, when time is limited, that Clear has to take control, helping his driver settle on a course of action in little more than a heartbeat. It’s not something just anyone can be good at.

“You need to make decisions - simple as that really," says Clear. "And you’ve never got the luxury of having all the information available to you. So you always have to make decisions with whatever information you do have available at that time. And as much as you’d like to wait a couple of minutes to see if it is going to rain, for example, those extra couple of minutes might be too late and you’ve missed the window.

“So you invariably have to make decisions on the thinnest of information. And that’s something some people don’t like doing. If you’re a pure scientist your gut feeling is that you can’t make a decision yet, you’ll have to wait for some more information. But obviously sport doesn’t allow you to do that. So there’s a huge emphasis on simply being able to make a decision. The whole team has got to know what to do in any given circumstance, and no decision is the worst thing you can do.”

One of the most surprising things is that an engineer can make these decisions on the spot and then communicate these speedy demands to the driver in the same calm and collected manner that he was chatting about front-wing adjustments during Friday practice. For Clear, this unflappability is an essential part of the job.

“It’s only the pressure of time that makes you excitable. You’d be surprised at how quickly you need to make decision at key times. You are talking matters of seconds. You can take in the region of three to five seconds to get the most basic of information across, but in some circumstances three to five seconds is too long. So you simply have to try and get information across stupidly quickly.

“One circumstance that comes to mind is in Singapore last year when the safety car came out when Piquet crashed. I’m sure the radios were flying between Red Bull and us, because we were the four cars who could pit before the safety car got out. Three out of the four did it. Jenson failed to get in, but Webber, Coulthard and Rubens all got in and got the jump so to speak. It’s that circumstance where it will sound very panicky but it’s in that case that you don’t have three seconds to say a phrase to get the information to the driver. You’ve got to get it out faster than that - and the only way of doing that is to say it fast and loud.”

As in all aspects of the sport, speed is evidently imperative. And Clear believes that this ability to be flexible enough to take a punt on a spur-of-the-moment strategy change is vital for a race engineer to be good at his job. He does, however, admit that it’s an inexact science - and one that can have mixed results.

“The fact is when you have to make decision with a lack of information, inevitably, you will get it wrong sometimes,” he says. “The skill of a race engineer is to demonstrate that over the course of a season or whatever, he’ll be right more often than he’s wrong. But it’s making those judgement calls and being better at it than average that makes a successful race engineer.”
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Re: F1 technical update
« Reply #69 on: September 22, 2009, 09:08:25 am »
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Formula One racing’s governing body, the FIA, says it is happy for the teams to agree steps to eliminate performance differences between their engines, as long as it is achieved by lowering the output of the more powerful engines.

Engine development is effectively frozen under current F1 regulations, but there are fears that some engine makers may have still been able to gradually increase power by clever use of the changes which are permitted in order to aid reliability.

After the recent Italian Grand Prix, which saw Mercedes-powered cars fill four of the top six places, Ferrari team boss Stefano Domenicali said the teams’ Engine Working Group would be considering equalisation measures for 2010.

Now, following a meeting of its World Motor Sport Council on Monday, the FIA has said it has no objection in principle, as long as there is no rise in engine power:

“Following suggestions that there is a differential between the performance of engines used in Formula One, the World Motor Sport Council has decided that should this be the case, and should the teams wish to eliminate this performance differential, they may be allowed to do so by reducing the performance of the more powerful engines. However, no engine upgrades will be allowed.”

Renault were allowed to make limited changes to their engine ahead of this season after rival teams agreed that the French manufacturer had fallen behind on power.
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