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Offline commanderwhite

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Barbagallo
« on: April 30, 2011, 05:56:48 pm »
Well as much it was great to see a couple different winners in NZ - it didn't take long for it to return to the usual result.

Today's race was ABSOLUTE BLOODY BOOOOOOORING - I didn't think any race could be as boring as Race 1 in Abu Dhabi but I was wrong.

Once Whingecup got to the lead off the line it was all over & the rest were driving for a place. All I can hope for is 88 to have a mechanical problem/wet weather or it qualifies badly for the racing to be good.

There was at least one piece of good news out of it & that was Karl Reindler's drive in qualifying & the race - well done Karl.

I hope like hell that tommorrow brings better racing & both T888 cars crash out.

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Re: Barbagallo
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2011, 09:14:06 pm »

I hope like hell that tommorrow brings better racing & both T888 cars crash out.


But I thought a Holden fan like you would be happy to see the 888 Commodores winning ?  ;)

You should know by now that if Whincup has a bad race weekend, then the next race weekend he'll be right back at the pointy end again. :)

Quite surprising that we didn't get any SC's in this race, but then again there are two more races tomorrow to make up for the lack of SC's today!

Sadly we're seeing the results of  :Ch7: having a AFL priority, and in Brisbane we're getting a different telecast to the rest of you guys, at the least a delayed race time.
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Re: Barbagallo
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2011, 06:09:32 pm »
Well it didn't matter what state you were in i think. In melbourne i didn't think we would be getting it live even though there was no reason it shouldnt be. We were waiting for them to grid up for race 1 today, when we had a newsbreak that showed the start line crash with Reindler and Owen, not very well planned. Nice crash though. Great work by the marshals, although the yellows for the stalled car could have come out earlier.  :o
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Re: Barbagallo
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2011, 06:19:57 pm »
Here is the crash,

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Re: Barbagallo
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2011, 11:20:04 pm »
Well it didn't matter what state you were in i think. In melbourne i didn't think we would be getting it live even though there was no reason it shouldnt be. We were waiting for them to grid up for race 1 today, when we had a newsbreak that showed the start line crash with Reindler and Owen, not very well planned. Nice crash though. Great work by the marshals, although the yellows for the stalled car could have come out earlier.  :o

Yeap was bloody annoying, at least I then knew to keep an eye on the start, but it wouldn't have mattered as I was 100% sure it would be replayed like 20 times and be on Youtube before the race finished broadcasting, horrible crash, I like watch spectacular crashes (Hombush last year in the wet) but that was rather scary it is proof of the safety of these cars.

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Re: Barbagallo
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2011, 01:50:39 am »
Seeing something like that - as well as Larko/Morris, Lowndes at Calder etc... there are times when one thinks a rolling start is safer even though I don't like them personally.

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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2011, 09:07:50 am »
Seeing something like that - as well as Larko/Morris, Lowndes at Calder etc... there are times when one thinks a rolling start is safer even though I don't like them personally.

Rolling starts would have prevented two of those accidents from occurring, but not the Lowndes one at Calder.

I am not in favour of rolling starts like you, but for long distance events I have no problems with them, i.e. Le Mans, Spa 24 hour, etc.

Formula One still has standing starts too, and generally you only get the spectacle of a whole field of cars erupting from nothing to full race pace. I couldn't imagine them going the rolling start way either.
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Re: Barbagallo
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2011, 09:34:47 am »
I thought that almost every racing series had a madatory 'rubber bladder' fuel cell to avoid this exact kind of crash. If that was ruptured, that was one hell of an impact.  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

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Re: Barbagallo
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2011, 01:21:48 pm »
Yes, they do have those fuel safety cells in them, it was just that this was such a massive impact that it just totally destroyed it.


Sadly I heard on this morning's news that there are allegations that the firies were too slow and took too long to put the fires out, and that to me is very poor on the people that are claiming that.

You have to remember that there were two cars involved, with the fire chase truck with the firies strapped in that follow the field from prior to turn 7 there, and it took time to drive to the most appropriate vehicle needed the most effort.

The fact that there were a number of team crews that jumped the fence that was almost alongside the incident and were there before the fire truck doesn't mean the firies were slow, it was just that they were closer.

In fact I dare say that the crews running all around the place may have indeed delayed the firies from doing their job. The crews should not be going on to the track in the first place, and can be seen here they may have caused extra problems by doing so.
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Re: Barbagallo
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2011, 03:47:20 pm »
37 g's the crash impact
its not cheating ,if its not in the rulebook

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Re: Barbagallo
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2011, 04:42:22 pm »
Well I too thought Bright's comments were not well thought out - obviously the team crew members were closer as they only just over the fence whereas the firies were way down the back away from the crash.

Also to the point where Brighty chipped the "fire marshall was walking to the crash" - well Brighty all emergency crews regardless of firies, police, ambos etc are instructed NOT to run to any emergency as if they do & get hurt by turning an ankle or injuring themselves then they are no use to those they are supposed to rescuing.

As to yesterday's races - great racing, lots of passing & smart strategy now that's how it should be every race. Obviously they need to get rid of the control tyre for all rounds other than the enduros & keep the sprint/soft tyres to have better & closer racing. How good was it to see BOC get their first ever win? Bloody fantastic & a joy to watch Whingecup struggle to keep pace & if the BOC boys hadn't stuffed up his pitstop in R2 Bright would've won that also.

Just to clarify something - I am a Holden man thru & thru but I will never support T888 in any shape of form. I have no time for Whingecup or Clowndes as they are two of the biggest whingers (they have hung around that Pom Dane too long) who expect the whole field to get out of their way when they don't qualify up front & they get away with blue bloody murder with the stupids when they turn others around & break the rules.

I know they are best team in the field their records & as drivers their records speak for themselves but when you are the best funded team with unlimited resources then you should always be up front & winning - it's just like when Snoz was winning everything bloody boring. These two may break records for years to come but IMO neither of them will EVER be as good as Brock in either driving ability nor the way he treated his fans.

Just a side note - GT was fined $10000 ($8000 suspended) for making a rude remark on TV & SVG was penalised his fastest time in session 1 due to his blocking of other cars on their hot lap. Funny that as usual his lordship Whingecup did exactly the same thing in the qualifying session for R3 when he blocked the JDR cars after his lap yet again no action was taken - why am I not surprised!!!!!  :pissed:

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Re: Barbagallo
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2011, 10:56:00 pm »
Well I too thought Bright's comments were not well thought out - obviously the team crew members were closer as they only just over the fence whereas the firies were way down the back away from the crash.

Also to the point where Brighty chipped the "fire marshall was walking to the crash" - well Brighty all emergency crews regardless of firies, police, ambos etc are instructed NOT to run to any emergency as if they do & get hurt by turning an ankle or injuring themselves then they are no use to those they are supposed to rescuing.

As to yesterday's races - great racing, lots of passing & smart strategy now that's how it should be every race. Obviously they need to get rid of the control tyre for all rounds other than the enduros & keep the sprint/soft tyres to have better & closer racing. How good was it to see BOC get their first ever win? Bloody fantastic & a joy to watch Whingecup struggle to keep pace & if the BOC boys hadn't stuffed up his pitstop in R2 Bright would've won that also.


Craig Baird piped up tonight in RPM his comments that no one went after Steve Owen to check on him after he got out of the car, well I'm not totally surprised in the clip that they showed, showed him being ignored by all and sundry.... well it might very well have something to do with all the non-firies out there.

Baird's main point was in fact a bit of a sly dig at the local firies and other trackside people being clueless, but where he was promoting the idea of a Indy style rescue team that follows the championship, that being a paid crew would indeed be professionals by simply being paid.

Also that clip is a bit misleading as it doesn't show where Owen actually walks to, i.e. the medical car crew or someone else out of that shot. What was Baird expecting the firies to do, walk away from fighting the fire to attend to a driver who was bound to be tracked down by the medical team ? ... he'd then be whinging that the firie walked away from the car engulfed in flames.

If you ask me, if not for all the crews jumping out on to the track to 'help out', both drivers would have had their assistance sooner, and I dare say the fire would've been put out marginally quicker.

What if a similar sort of scenario too place later in the race where the field might have been coming around turn 7, and the crews jumping the fence infront of race cars coming down that straight ?



One other thing that I think should be mentioned, is I noticed that the v8 supercars crew are now acting in the role of starter for their races, instead of the regular starter who starts all other races at the track throughout the year. Personally I think this is wrong, as they lack the local experience that is really needed, and which can not be obtained by simply taking over the position on the day.

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Re: Barbagallo
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2011, 08:57:21 am »
It's rare I make an appearance on AMF, but let me just say- thank goodness those two guys were alright after that brutal explosion.  You always hope for a positive outcome when you see a vicious explosion or crash.  Whether you love or loathe certain drivers, you always hope the driver can come out of the crash to race again another day because these are athletes, and they are doing what they love- racing.  I didn't get to see the highlights of the racing here in the United States, but congratulations to the winners of each race.
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